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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheseburger will help, if some one gives me gas money to get there, scared to ride my bike and I would need my tools also, pick me up in L.O. Van Curraza will help too, as long as the waves are only so so and not perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheseburger will help, if some one gives me gas money to get there, scared to ride my bike and I would need my tools also, pick me up in L.O. Van Curraza will help too, as long as the waves are only so so and not perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Moderator</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like to see long preachy comments, let alone two consecutive, long preachy comments from the same user, so the first one was deleted. CCN Moderator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like to see long preachy comments, let alone two consecutive, long preachy comments from the same user, so the first one was deleted. CCN Moderator</p>
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		<title>By: seekingtruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seekingtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see how #5 would give in to the pressure of the jury. Most people today seek the route of least resistance. Thankfully, #5 has a conscious, and she acted on it when the pressure was gone. Good for her. I wish the government would leave this man alone, as he is hurting no one and he is helping many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see how #5 would give in to the pressure of the jury. Most people today seek the route of least resistance. Thankfully, #5 has a conscious, and she acted on it when the pressure was gone. Good for her. I wish the government would leave this man alone, as he is hurting no one and he is helping many.</p>
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		<title>By: Booty JuJu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Booty JuJu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about real estate.  It’s done.  Forty percent of Californians are underwater on their mortgages – they owe more than their crib is worth.  Forty percent.  The official unemployment rate in CA of 12 plus percent is a joke.  Try more like 20% for a realistic number.  The Average Joe is p*ssing himself while the government feeds him lies and false hope of a “recovery”.  Not gonna happen.

Around seventy percent of our economy is consumer based.  Stick a knife in it, it’s done.   How pathetic is it that our society now vests all its hopes and wishes for thriving, indeed survival, on a yearly ceremony we have come to call Black Friday.  I&#039;m told that &quot;consumers&quot; in Paso were caught on video chanting, dancing and wringing the necks of chickens in the WalMart parking lots the other day in the hopes of winning supernatural favor for that race down the aisle to the flat-screen TV loss leaders.  Can anyone confirm this?

So, we can continue to delude ourselves about the prospect of returning to a reality that was never real and sustaining the inherently unsustainable.  That’s ok then.  But the trouble with self-delusion, either in a person or a society, is that reality doesn&#039;t give a f*ck what anybody believes, or what story they put out.  Reality doesn&#039;t &quot;spin.&quot;  Reality does not have a self-image problem.  Reality does not yield its workings to self-esteem management, sensitivity training or diversity quotas.  These days, Americans don&#039;t like reality very much because it won&#039;t let them push it around.  Reality is an immoveable force and the only question for human beings in the face of it is:  What will you do about it?  It&#039;s astonishing that so many so-called smart people don&#039;t get this.

Understand this:  They&#039;re flat-out lying about the employment figures issued in the government&#039;s name.  They&#039;re willfully ignoring the utter bankruptcy gripping government at all levels.  Most of all, they persist in promoting the lie that this economy can return to the prior state of reckless debt accumulation (aka &quot;consumerism&quot;) that has made us so ridiculous and unhealthy.


I understand the awesome power and stamina of Moron Culture in the USA, in everything from the way we inhabit the landscape, the fiasco of suburbia, to the way we feed ourselves - an endless megatonnage of microwaved Velveeta and corn byproducts - along with the popular entertainment offerings of Reality TV, NASCAR ovals, and the hideous, gigantic evangelical church shows beloved in the zombie Heartland. For f*cks sake, if such a concept as &quot;an offense in the sight of God&quot; has any meaning at all, then surely the way we conduct ourselves in this land is the epitome of it - though this is hardly an advertisement for competing religions, who are themselves over-supplied with morons, be they closeted sado-masochistic Southern Baptist teleministers, Vatican-approved child molesters, or mullahs dispatching suicide bombers to the marketplaces frequented by housewives and their children. 

But when reality comes a calling, as it always does eventually, that is a bad crazy day.  A hard pillow to sleep with.  Reality doesn&#039;t care if the dog peed on your homework...or you had car trouble this morning...or the tattoo on your neck got infected.


Reality will soon take us out to some woodshed of the national soul and beat the living crap out of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about real estate.  It’s done.  Forty percent of Californians are underwater on their mortgages – they owe more than their crib is worth.  Forty percent.  The official unemployment rate in CA of 12 plus percent is a joke.  Try more like 20% for a realistic number.  The Average Joe is p*ssing himself while the government feeds him lies and false hope of a “recovery”.  Not gonna happen.</p>
<p>Around seventy percent of our economy is consumer based.  Stick a knife in it, it’s done.   How pathetic is it that our society now vests all its hopes and wishes for thriving, indeed survival, on a yearly ceremony we have come to call Black Friday.  I&#8217;m told that &#8220;consumers&#8221; in Paso were caught on video chanting, dancing and wringing the necks of chickens in the WalMart parking lots the other day in the hopes of winning supernatural favor for that race down the aisle to the flat-screen TV loss leaders.  Can anyone confirm this?</p>
<p>So, we can continue to delude ourselves about the prospect of returning to a reality that was never real and sustaining the inherently unsustainable.  That’s ok then.  But the trouble with self-delusion, either in a person or a society, is that reality doesn&#8217;t give a f*ck what anybody believes, or what story they put out.  Reality doesn&#8217;t &#8220;spin.&#8221;  Reality does not have a self-image problem.  Reality does not yield its workings to self-esteem management, sensitivity training or diversity quotas.  These days, Americans don&#8217;t like reality very much because it won&#8217;t let them push it around.  Reality is an immoveable force and the only question for human beings in the face of it is:  What will you do about it?  It&#8217;s astonishing that so many so-called smart people don&#8217;t get this.</p>
<p>Understand this:  They&#8217;re flat-out lying about the employment figures issued in the government&#8217;s name.  They&#8217;re willfully ignoring the utter bankruptcy gripping government at all levels.  Most of all, they persist in promoting the lie that this economy can return to the prior state of reckless debt accumulation (aka &#8220;consumerism&#8221;) that has made us so ridiculous and unhealthy.</p>
<p>I understand the awesome power and stamina of Moron Culture in the USA, in everything from the way we inhabit the landscape, the fiasco of suburbia, to the way we feed ourselves &#8211; an endless megatonnage of microwaved Velveeta and corn byproducts &#8211; along with the popular entertainment offerings of Reality TV, NASCAR ovals, and the hideous, gigantic evangelical church shows beloved in the zombie Heartland. For f*cks sake, if such a concept as &#8220;an offense in the sight of God&#8221; has any meaning at all, then surely the way we conduct ourselves in this land is the epitome of it &#8211; though this is hardly an advertisement for competing religions, who are themselves over-supplied with morons, be they closeted sado-masochistic Southern Baptist teleministers, Vatican-approved child molesters, or mullahs dispatching suicide bombers to the marketplaces frequented by housewives and their children. </p>
<p>But when reality comes a calling, as it always does eventually, that is a bad crazy day.  A hard pillow to sleep with.  Reality doesn&#8217;t care if the dog peed on your homework&#8230;or you had car trouble this morning&#8230;or the tattoo on your neck got infected.</p>
<p>Reality will soon take us out to some woodshed of the national soul and beat the living crap out of us.</p>
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		<title>By: mccdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>mccdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brits did &quot;America&#039;s Most Embarrassing Parents&quot; thirty-five years ago, probably because their empire died sooner than ours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzXGhZebNOo

I&#039;d agree with Professor Booty except for one far more disturbing possibility: that the U.S. might actually be able to go back to business as usual. People keep buying Treasury bills and the Chinese keep their currency undervalued, so we still have some room to run before we reach the end of the leash and suddenly choke ourselves. And the belief in property-based easy wealth is definitely seeing a recovery:
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/11/flipper-in-trouble.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brits did &#8220;America&#8217;s Most Embarrassing Parents&#8221; thirty-five years ago, probably because their empire died sooner than ours:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzXGhZebNOo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzXGhZebNOo</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with Professor Booty except for one far more disturbing possibility: that the U.S. might actually be able to go back to business as usual. People keep buying Treasury bills and the Chinese keep their currency undervalued, so we still have some room to run before we reach the end of the leash and suddenly choke ourselves. And the belief in property-based easy wealth is definitely seeing a recovery:<br />
<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/11/flipper-in-trouble.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/11/flipper-in-trouble.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: zaphod</title>
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		<dc:creator>zaphod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She also voted against the downtown housing project at Marsh and Nipomo St. IIRC but it passed anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She also voted against the downtown housing project at Marsh and Nipomo St. IIRC but it passed anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: R.Hodin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.Hodin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine also voted against a large affordable housing project on Orcutt, on the bus routes, close to shopping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine also voted against a large affordable housing project on Orcutt, on the bus routes, close to shopping.</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Van Curaza, went to rehab there/lived there. Now he is excepted back in the lineup,( that&#039;s terminology for take off spot in a surf break, he has been behaving much better and I think the stay at the Devaul ranch, did him a world of good, you could be paying for him, if he went to prison and now he&#039;s a famous surfer again, that has more time, to pay back many!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van Curaza, went to rehab there/lived there. Now he is excepted back in the lineup,( that&#8217;s terminology for take off spot in a surf break, he has been behaving much better and I think the stay at the Devaul ranch, did him a world of good, you could be paying for him, if he went to prison and now he&#8217;s a famous surfer again, that has more time, to pay back many!</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goyo you just made juru with that one, you are so right, you never own land, you only rent it, from the government for a short time, until you can&#039;t pay the taxes, or there is an illness in the family, then someone else buys it and you are ______! I want a deal, out right no strings, just how much for the freaking land and then leave me the ____, alone! Not that I like sex offenders but I think Mullhorn was more worried about one of them crossing the road, then the view, a valid concern addressed the wrong way, now give me some plus signs because, I don&#039;t know how!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goyo you just made juru with that one, you are so right, you never own land, you only rent it, from the government for a short time, until you can&#8217;t pay the taxes, or there is an illness in the family, then someone else buys it and you are ______! I want a deal, out right no strings, just how much for the freaking land and then leave me the ____, alone! Not that I like sex offenders but I think Mullhorn was more worried about one of them crossing the road, then the view, a valid concern addressed the wrong way, now give me some plus signs because, I don&#8217;t know how!</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly what I was thinking, but why put it there, this county is so screwed up they will tear down the Maddonna Inn and put it there! I say let the rich Mollahornas pay for this sewer since they are so in to getting rid of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And put it in their yard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what I was thinking, but why put it there, this county is so screwed up they will tear down the Maddonna Inn and put it there! I say let the rich Mollahornas pay for this sewer since they are so in to getting rid of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And put it in their yard.</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After building a sewer half way, smack dab in the middle of town, getting shut down, for the dumb move in the first place, they expect L.O. to pay for the whole project, get real, good old boys live in L.O. too, and they won&#039;t stand for it, it will be spread out, at the last minute, I would bet my life on it, since it&#039;s not worth much anymore. Sewer cost should be shared through out the county, and this is related because everybody has to ____, even Devaul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After building a sewer half way, smack dab in the middle of town, getting shut down, for the dumb move in the first place, they expect L.O. to pay for the whole project, get real, good old boys live in L.O. too, and they won&#8217;t stand for it, it will be spread out, at the last minute, I would bet my life on it, since it&#8217;s not worth much anymore. Sewer cost should be shared through out the county, and this is related because everybody has to ____, even Devaul.</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey just want to let you know, you write a lot better then I do, so I endorse you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey just want to let you know, you write a lot better then I do, so I endorse you!</p>
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		<title>By: south</title>
		<link>http://calcoastnews.com/2009/11/juror-bails-out-de-vaul/comment-page-1/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>south</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that if this kook is the manager of a radiology office in Templeton, I&#039;m making sure I get my xrays done in SLO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that if this kook is the manager of a radiology office in Templeton, I&#8217;m making sure I get my xrays done in SLO.</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he must have a plane, I googled my house, same trashy seen, so what most people don&#039;t have time to be critical of others, or planes, idle minds are the devils workshop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he must have a plane, I googled my house, same trashy seen, so what most people don&#8217;t have time to be critical of others, or planes, idle minds are the devils workshop!</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Booty,I love this so true, we get bent over all the time out here, the dam CSD took $3,200, just like Hurst did, only who do I sue? The county of San Luis, Los Osos pays as much property tax as anybody else in the county, how come half of it is dirt roads and pot holes? Where&#039;s my money San Luis county, you slapped me with a $25,000 bill do I get the $3,200 hundred back or do I have to sue? I think this may be what booty is referring too! I endorse booty&#039;s negative 13 comment, he&#039;s right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Booty,I love this so true, we get bent over all the time out here, the dam CSD took $3,200, just like Hurst did, only who do I sue? The county of San Luis, Los Osos pays as much property tax as anybody else in the county, how come half of it is dirt roads and pot holes? Where&#8217;s my money San Luis county, you slapped me with a $25,000 bill do I get the $3,200 hundred back or do I have to sue? I think this may be what booty is referring too! I endorse booty&#8217;s negative 13 comment, he&#8217;s right!</p>
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		<title>By: cheseburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheseburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Macdave; reply 10, similar only more expensive situation, Jeffrey Stoolberg, is not, so nice and has also kind of, bent over a few friends, publicity, cheap advertising,lawyers, pissed at all of em, the guy sucks as an attorney and I have facts to prove it, if he wants to get caught up, in litigation, bring it on, he knows what his incompetent law firm did to me, oh yeah they all say that would be his answer, hey berger just look up the guy you told could not drink alcohol for a year, then he fires you and asks the judge to check and there is nothing (no order) say&#039;s you couldn&#039;t of had a few beers with the boy&#039;s, with the court, sorry! 
    As for Devastator Devaul the Devil he&#039;s this counties only hope of becoming human again. Or you could move to Delano and get home invaded like my cousin, because, no one gave a dam there, I wonder how many crimes this man keep from happening! Is there a creek behind your house! I&#039;ll be moving in soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macdave; reply 10, similar only more expensive situation, Jeffrey Stoolberg, is not, so nice and has also kind of, bent over a few friends, publicity, cheap advertising,lawyers, pissed at all of em, the guy sucks as an attorney and I have facts to prove it, if he wants to get caught up, in litigation, bring it on, he knows what his incompetent law firm did to me, oh yeah they all say that would be his answer, hey berger just look up the guy you told could not drink alcohol for a year, then he fires you and asks the judge to check and there is nothing (no order) say&#8217;s you couldn&#8217;t of had a few beers with the boy&#8217;s, with the court, sorry!<br />
    As for Devastator Devaul the Devil he&#8217;s this counties only hope of becoming human again. Or you could move to Delano and get home invaded like my cousin, because, no one gave a dam there, I wonder how many crimes this man keep from happening! Is there a creek behind your house! I&#8217;ll be moving in soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to hear that this story will be going National. The timing couldn&#039;t be better, do we know what the dates for Dan&#039;s appearance on Good Morning America and Larry King Live will be? This could bring in lots of donations for his cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that this story will be going National. The timing couldn&#8217;t be better, do we know what the dates for Dan&#8217;s appearance on Good Morning America and Larry King Live will be? This could bring in lots of donations for his cause.</p>
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		<title>By: GKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, hotdog! Most of the time I read the comments for &quot;entertainment&quot; purposes, but your comments are what I believe should be on these sites; well written, and well thought out, instead of the character assassinations usually found here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, hotdog! Most of the time I read the comments for &#8220;entertainment&#8221; purposes, but your comments are what I believe should be on these sites; well written, and well thought out, instead of the character assassinations usually found here.</p>
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		<title>By: hotdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot of gack being thrown around. For the record I am mostly in Dan&#039;s court but I am sure there is much to be said on the other side. Since this has degenerated to some sort of Tea Party shout down I will throw in Christine Mulholland was a caring, attentive and hard working SLO council member for many years. She was not on the &#039;board&#039; as someone insinuated. I am weak on facts but assume she has been alarmed for some time about various activities at the ranch, some of which would horrify anyone who cares to listen to her (as I did). She -may have been- a longstanding &#039;complainer&#039; but the result and so-called persecution of Dan were not in her hands in the least. I&#039;ve watched the news and heard Dan on Congalton, I think it is time to hear from the other side for comparison and thoughtful assessment.
This whole issue brings up the broader issue of city/county surveillance and prosecution of minor/major violations of the so-called codes. In many or most cases these efforts are generated by complaints, and often they resemble vindictive actions of hostile neighbors when in reality the issues amount to little of importance but the resulting enforcement causes havoc (time, money etc) to the accused-FOR NO EFFECTIVE GAIN! Health and safety are important issues, but what if your window is too small? You might have to spend hundreds of bucks to fix that according to modern standards. What if your lifestyle doesn&#039;t fit the cookie cutter outlines of current codes? The authorities can turn your life upside down because you have an angry neighbor!
There does need to be sensitivity and common sense employed in these issues. Of course new construction should be up to modern standards but many do not have the inclination or resources to upgrade their circumstances at the whim of a codebook.
We all know of the (potential) many innocent prisoners languishing in Guantanamo and other places because some sheik or tribal chief accused someone of being a terrorist-our troops arrest the person and throw him into detention (and often torture) where they may languish for years without a trial. In a similar way our authorities do the dirty work of people who rat out their neighbors to satisfy some malignant feeling. And of course it is often anonymous. I don’t know how to get around this but the parallels are ominous. 
I don’t think Christine was outraged at a different lifestyle or ‘had it in’ for Dan. I think she was genuinely concerned about a number of issues that ought to be looked at. The trouble is when the ‘gummint’ arrives they often find an avalanche of stuff to cite which makes the solution way too heavy to deal with.  And of course in this case the good work of Dan should have given him some slack (and maybe it did, this has been going on for years).
To sum up, I think all the armchair observers should look for answers from both sides before condemning anyone.  Maybe this site and Congalton will host opinions of the neighbors, county enforcement and any ‘ol hack from the court not too embarrassed to explain their end of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of gack being thrown around. For the record I am mostly in Dan&#8217;s court but I am sure there is much to be said on the other side. Since this has degenerated to some sort of Tea Party shout down I will throw in Christine Mulholland was a caring, attentive and hard working SLO council member for many years. She was not on the &#8216;board&#8217; as someone insinuated. I am weak on facts but assume she has been alarmed for some time about various activities at the ranch, some of which would horrify anyone who cares to listen to her (as I did). She -may have been- a longstanding &#8216;complainer&#8217; but the result and so-called persecution of Dan were not in her hands in the least. I&#8217;ve watched the news and heard Dan on Congalton, I think it is time to hear from the other side for comparison and thoughtful assessment.<br />
This whole issue brings up the broader issue of city/county surveillance and prosecution of minor/major violations of the so-called codes. In many or most cases these efforts are generated by complaints, and often they resemble vindictive actions of hostile neighbors when in reality the issues amount to little of importance but the resulting enforcement causes havoc (time, money etc) to the accused-FOR NO EFFECTIVE GAIN! Health and safety are important issues, but what if your window is too small? You might have to spend hundreds of bucks to fix that according to modern standards. What if your lifestyle doesn&#8217;t fit the cookie cutter outlines of current codes? The authorities can turn your life upside down because you have an angry neighbor!<br />
There does need to be sensitivity and common sense employed in these issues. Of course new construction should be up to modern standards but many do not have the inclination or resources to upgrade their circumstances at the whim of a codebook.<br />
We all know of the (potential) many innocent prisoners languishing in Guantanamo and other places because some sheik or tribal chief accused someone of being a terrorist-our troops arrest the person and throw him into detention (and often torture) where they may languish for years without a trial. In a similar way our authorities do the dirty work of people who rat out their neighbors to satisfy some malignant feeling. And of course it is often anonymous. I don’t know how to get around this but the parallels are ominous.<br />
I don’t think Christine was outraged at a different lifestyle or ‘had it in’ for Dan. I think she was genuinely concerned about a number of issues that ought to be looked at. The trouble is when the ‘gummint’ arrives they often find an avalanche of stuff to cite which makes the solution way too heavy to deal with.  And of course in this case the good work of Dan should have given him some slack (and maybe it did, this has been going on for years).<br />
To sum up, I think all the armchair observers should look for answers from both sides before condemning anyone.  Maybe this site and Congalton will host opinions of the neighbors, county enforcement and any ‘ol hack from the court not too embarrassed to explain their end of things.</p>
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		<title>By: momof3</title>
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		<dc:creator>momof3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you wanted to know what Christine did while she was on the board.... hummmm let me think oh wait she tried to shut down doing anything to South Street after a 8 year old child was killed. Thank goodness Caltrans actually relized that this area was next to a park and a school. And you could not get from one to the other without playing &quot;frogger&quot;. Her answer to me, was this, you could walk up to the lights at either end of South St., There is a mile between the lights, and I hate to say it I know too many kids that do not want to walk that far. When bringing up the fact that this is a residential neighborhood, and the speed limit should be 35 she just looked at me like I was nuts. 
Maybe SLOPD need to follow her to one of her favorite place &quot;The Sub&quot; where she picks up her pipes and whatnots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you wanted to know what Christine did while she was on the board&#8230;. hummmm let me think oh wait she tried to shut down doing anything to South Street after a 8 year old child was killed. Thank goodness Caltrans actually relized that this area was next to a park and a school. And you could not get from one to the other without playing &#8220;frogger&#8221;. Her answer to me, was this, you could walk up to the lights at either end of South St., There is a mile between the lights, and I hate to say it I know too many kids that do not want to walk that far. When bringing up the fact that this is a residential neighborhood, and the speed limit should be 35 she just looked at me like I was nuts.<br />
Maybe SLOPD need to follow her to one of her favorite place &#8220;The Sub&#8221; where she picks up her pipes and whatnots.</p>
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