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Four California men charged with aiding Islamic jihad

November 20, 2012

The United States Attorney in Los Angeles has charged four Southern California men with conspiring with Al-Qai’da terrorists and plotting to kill Americans.

An FBI investigation alleges that the four men, two American citizens and two lawful residents, planned to travel to Afghanistan to engage in “violent jihad.” The defendants discussed plots with a confidential FBI source to carry out violent attacks on potential targets that included overseas American military personnel and bases.

On Friday, the Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Ralph Deleon of Ontario, Miguel Santana Vidriales of Upland and Arifeen David Gojali of Riverside. Vidriales and Gojali are both 21-years-old and Deleon is 23. 34-year-old Sohiel Omar Kabir, an Afghan native and naturalized American citizen, allegedly introduced Deleon and Vidriales, who later recruited Gojali, to violent Islamic material. Kabir is currently detained in Afghanistan.

Kabir arrived in Afghanistan in July, where he allegedly contacted terrorist organizations and arranged for Vidriales and Deleon to join him in his jihadist campaign. Vidriales and Deleon planned to bring Gojali along to Afghanistan.

Vidriales, Deleon and Gojail each prepared for their terrorist missions overseas by training at Southern California firearm and paintball facilities.

All four defendants are charged with five federal crimes, including conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction outside the United States and conspiracy to bomb place of public use and government facilities.

Each face a maximum of 15 years in federal prison. Vidriales, Deleon and Gojali appeared in the Riverside U.S. District Court Monday.


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Instead of giving them fake bombs, why doesn’t the FBI give them bombs that go off while they’re holding them.


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shelworth,


Oh wow, did you really make the statement that you just did? Tell us that it was a statement from another, and that it wasn’t really yours! Okay?


How about the concept of there may be collateral damage, where the worse case scenario would be innoccent people might get killed? Or, how about the notion that the FBI would be engaged in outright killing by setting this faction up, therefore, being charged? Wait, how about the possible fact that other FBI agents might get killed when said bombs go off? Do you need anymore logical answers?


And, you allegedly call me an idiot that needs to be barred from CCN? Really? Oh my. :(


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It’s a scam, somebuddy at the LA office got the word to catch a terrorist, gotta keep the crapola going.


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You’re either ignorant or naive if you don’t realize that there are tens of millions of Muslims in Africa, the Middle East, and even here on our soil, who are just WAITING to attack unbelievers. Jihad isn’t just a meaningless religious term for them; it is their solemn duty to kill infidels, you and me included.


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Whoa there, PasoParent! What a total crock! Since when did these supposed “tens of millions” start “waiting to attack unbelievers”? When the Koran was written? Why weren’t we hearing about this in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, or 1980s?


It sounds to me like what you have been “taught” about Muslims has come from people who are NOT Muslim.


Sure, there are enemies of our nation who are Muslim, but we also have many Christian enemies also. But it is very unfair and dangerous for you to spew your ignorant prejudices that do nothing more than fan the flames of hatred and violence.


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Well maybe it’s time you start researching. Why not in the years you mentioned? Do you remember a LOT of countries in Africa and the Middle East, with leaders set up by us, England and other countries? Do you remember it is in the late seventies and through the eighties that a lot of these countries were turned back over and or the puppet regimes had coups? Remember on the nightly news in the eighties it seemed like there was always coups?


So then you have Gov. with Ayatolla’s (yea spelling is probably wrong) etc. coming into power with a religious bent vs. dictatorship.


You accuse Pasoparent of ignorant prejudices. It is NOT ignorant prejudices on her part. Maybe you should look in the mirror.


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Total Crock! Try using some LOGIC. If these supposed “tens of millions” of Muslims want to kill people, then why are they “waiting”? What are “they” waiting for?


Face it, what we really have to be concerned about are the extremists. In that case, that includes the extremists across entire religious and political spectrum, ranging from Christians, to Muslims to atheists and agnostics. We can find some of those posting to this site on a regular basis.


Stirring up hatred against other religious groups, as people are doing on this forum, endangers all of us, It’s also not in alignment with Christian principles.


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It’s a scam alright, these dimwits bought a bomb from LEO thinking it would go off when detontated, but instead they got caught in the sting operation. No crapola just good cop work to stop these clowns before they did kill someone.

There are millions of muslis out there and yes even here at home and they can’t wait to hurt us infadels…


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I wonder if all the people who lost loved ones on Sept. 11 2001 think it’s a scam. Justme why don’t you ask them.


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No attacks for 11 yrs. Huge new industies relying on the “terrorists” myth. WTC 7 blown up by the lease holder of all the WTC buildings, control of Middle East oil, protection for Israel. War profiteering, oil pipeline routes thru Afganistan and on and on. Hundreds of thousands of dead people, destroyed countries.

All of this because we don’t believe somebody’s religion somewhere? Go do some research, then come back here with some facts. Quit promoting the lie.


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Because they WORK for the FBI. J. Edgar’s children.


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Don’t forget your foil hat.


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Does your’s work?


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Well I’m not the one having delusions of grandeur.


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i RESEMBLE THAT REMARK !!


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Pretty funny, I like your style.


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There were no explosives involved


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WTC 7 was imploded. That was my point. Planes into the towers, explosives @ bldg.7

Googit, Leaseholder Silverstein ordering it done on the ph. Never explained or denied. Listen to it.


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On September 9, 2005, Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, issued the following statement on this issue:


Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.


The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1.


In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.


Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.


As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building.

I think you are just taking another jab at Jews.


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You dig up an interview from Silversteins office to establish what happened to Bldg. 7???? Really?

See the Vid of it falling yet? Read what the engineer’s of the bldg. said? Or what groups of other Civil Eng’s are still saying?

The fires were way up the bldg. it fell from the bottom.

No casualties in the bldg. but it’s so badly damaged it falls straight down right after Silverstein demands the place evacuated as the Fire Chief said they were fighting the fire? Not “were losing the battle,” not that he was worried about his men even. Why would he override the FD’s opinion and establish the loss of his bldg. He uses the term, “Pull it” then it falls straight and evenly down. Read and watch what other bldg. demo co. owners say, hundreds of civil engineers say, the firemen say.

Read who the bldg tenants were and what the loss of their files will mean.

It takes weeks to wire a bldg. for collapse, when did that happen?

All this valid info and you pick Mr. Silverstein’s spokesman for “what happened” then decide it’s all because I’m a Jew jabber? Weak.

Keep looking, Zap. Don’t be afraid, you’ll reach a point where it all fits together, clarity. Then get ready for the name-calling, it’ll be your turn.

Oh Yeah, my Dad was A Jew who grew up a couple miles from the towers. So now what?


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These guys were stoopid, get some real players, not rookies.


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MUSLIM DOCTRINE


“When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, KILLING AND WOUNDING many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.” ( Quran 47:4: )


HEBREW DOCTRINE:


“That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, whether man or woman.” ( 2 Chronicles 15:13 )


CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE:


Jesus stated: “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, AND SLAY THEM BEFORE ME” ( Luke19: 27 )


All of the three main religions shown above, harbor the same outcome of killing the person that doesn’t accept their particular beliefs. What’s the difference in the three religions listed above in this respect? Nothing.


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Religion: The struggle to believe you will never die.


Reality: Someday it’s “Lights out”. Deal with it then shutup about it, you’re alive NOW.


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The Bible verse you reference is from the Parable of the King’s Ten Servants. Interesting that your present it in a context that, to one who wasn’t familiar with the Bible, makes it appear that Jesus is commanding people to kill non-Christians. That is absolutely not the case. And I’m sure you were aware of that. Which brings me to my question: Why do you have so much anger and resentment towards Jesus and Christians? You spend so … much … time … writing your weird, long-winded diatribes that serve no purpose other than to putting God and Christians in a bad light. What happened to you to make you so angry? Did life not turn out for you as you were hoping, and not you’re on a campaign to exact revenge on God for not making things right? Seriously, buddy, let it go.


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+10, Kidholm. Thank you.


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+10 more for me…


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Kidholm,


Regarding Luke19: 27; I am not presenting the fact that Jesus condones the killing of others that don’t want Him to rule over them, the bible is doing this as a literal fact. Understand?


Let me introduce you to a logical deduction, something that you’re obviously not aware of relative to the passage in question. Luke19: 27 is stated by Jesus, is plainly attributed to Jesus, and is condoned by Jesus, as he presents a parable story relative to his “Second Coming” to Zacchaeus and the publicans.


Within context of factual evidence within the Bible, from Luke 19:1 through verse 48, it is explicitly shown that Jesus is in fact talking either in the first person, or Luke is quoting Jesus throughout this chapter. As one of the main examples of this premise, I refer to Luke 19:11, “And as they heard these things, he (Jesus) added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.”


As specifically shown, who began to speak this parable in this instance? Who was nigh to Jerusalem? Who was not appearing in a timely manner regarding the return of the kingdom of God? IT WAS JESUS! The passage holds in a literal parable form, therefore, Jesus condones the killing of anyone that will not let Him rule over them. Period.


I would suggest that you take your ever wanting and assumed biblical knowledge to a forum where you just might be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the lessor knowledgeable Christian adherent, as shown below with the minions of Satan that agree with you in this matter. You will not do it with me.


Sidenote, it was entertainng that you didn’t take the other religions doctrine to task relating to the killing of others that don’t follow their doctrine, but only the Christian example. Hypocrite.


Do not deceive yourself and others. Jesus is watching your every move.


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Buddy, you are so messed up I don’t know where to start. I suggest you 1) get therapy; 2) get off you tail and make some friends; 3) get a job or volunteer at a charitable organization to establish some significance in your life, 4) throw out your thesaurus and start speaking like a normal person. It will help you accomplish objective #2.


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Kidholm,


Oh, oh, you forgot something, tsk, tsk! And, that was the FACT that you didn’t address your biblical schooling that I gave you because of your blatant ignorance regarding Luke 19:27! What happened? Your silence is deafening.


At your convenience, look up the term “red herring” in a dictionary, not a thesaurus, to see that you are insidiously using this ruse to blatantly hide behind because you CANNOT refute my logical and biblical FACTS that I have given you. In the passage in question, Jesus did in FACT condones the killing of anyone that will not let Him rule over them. Get use to this fact or leave Christianity altogether.


Learn from this experience, especially in front of everyone present, that you DO NOT have the acumen to ever engage me in the discourse of religion.


You’ve been schooled.


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Um….not true. You don’t hear about Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or Hindu families strapping bombs on their teens so they can blow up themselves and innocent civilians. It’s the radical MUSLIMS who are dousing little girls with acid just because they want to attend school. And the same Islamic terrorists are the ones training for a jihad on the West.


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Pasoparent5,


Your analogy is so wanting, that I can’t beleive that anyone would purport such a notion. But, the pseudo-christians like yourself that inhabit this forum never cease to amaze me.


I will save you any further embarrassment and remain silent upon your statement. You can thank me later.


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TedSlanders…

You are a Wolf pretending to be a sheep in the fold…


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Slander…

You are a Wolf pretending to be a sheep in the fold…


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Oh comon now!!! It sounds like Soheil Omar Kabir was just spreading the word of peace and love for his fellow man.


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