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Couple arrested for allegedly assaulting children with sticks

April 26, 2013
Ramon Garcia

Ramon Garcia

Veronica Sanchez

Veronica Sanchez

Lompoc police arrested a man and his girlfriend for allegedly assaulting three children with a wooden stick last month. [KCOY]

Ramon Garcia Jr., 28, and Veronica Sanchez, 30, were allegedly hitting two boys and one girl with a stick near the Jack in the Box on H Street on March 31.

Officers booked Garcia into Santa Barbara County Jail on three counts of assault with a deadly weapon. He is being held on $100,000 bail. Sanchez, was arrested on one count of assault with a deadly weapon.

The police investigation and the subsequent arrest was based on a report by the three juveniles who said they were struck by a man with a wooden stick, similar to a broom handle.

 


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Westboro Ted’s just mad because he had his picket signs stolen by these two and they were using them as ninja sticks


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Immediately prior to the assauly, did they yell “Bakersfield!” ???


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LOL…not sure if they yelled that…….but, for sure they are not part of the “smart and beautiful” crowd from Cal Poly…..nope not at all.


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All you candy-@ssed non-Christians, just quit your whining!


Ramon Garcia and Veronica Sanchez are probably true Christians that actually follow the bible, therefore, even if the beatings are true, they were in their biblical rights relative to God’s word regarding children!


The Hebrew-Christian God’s word commanded that children, other than killing them if they cursed their parents (Matthew 15:4), should be beaten!


“He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” (Pr.13:24)


“Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.” (Pr.22:15)


“Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.” (Pr.23:13-14)


“The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.” (Pr.30:17 )


Who is ANY Christian to usurp the teachings of our God as stated above? Therefore, as directed by the bible, beat children into submission for their ungodly acts, praise!


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Ted, Ted, Ted……..Please stop quoting Mathew as you completely take it out of context. Jesus was admonishing the hypocrite Pharisees and was rather disagreeing with their practices.


As for all the Proverbs that you quote, this is from the Old Testament and did not apply to the Gentiles and no longer applies to anyone. You have way too much fun Gooling scripture and then applying it for your own purposes.


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My dear Cindy,


Thank one of the Gods that Ramon Garcia Jr., and Veronica Sanchez didn’t have to kill these children because they cursed their parents!


This whole scenario started when Jesus’ disciples lacked good hygiene by not washing their hands before eating bread. (Matthew 15:2) Bad disciples. In Jesus’ “tit for tat”, “neener, neener, neener,” response to this, Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.” (Matthew 15:4) Key phrase; “anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.” Get it? Yeah, you do.


What tradition was Jesus upholding and referring too when He was chastising the Pharisees in this respect? The tradition and command is within Leviticus 20:9, to wit: “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” Remember Cindy, there was no New Testament at this time. Get it?


In Matthew 15:1-9 (KJV), Jesus agrees with His Father that all children who curse their parents should be killed. Within context, one cannot dispute this biblical fact because additionally Jesus called the Pharisees “hypocrites” for not following this killing children tradition. Cindy, parse the words very carefully and leave your embarrassing anachronistic apologetics behind.


Sidebar; are you comfortable in worshipping and knowing that the ever loving God of forgiveness commanded the killing of children that cursed their parents, barring the fact of commanding the beating of them as well? Yes?


Now, I suggest that you get back to your womanly duties because it’s a beautiful day outside, and like before subsequent to you biblically stepping in the proverbial poo, silently leave these conversations with Brother Ted. This is because, you don’t want me to additionally open the floodgates of biblical proportions relative to Christians having to follow the Old Testament. You’re opening a large can of worms, and Jesus is not smiling upon you when you proffer such blatant nonsense!


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Ted, you’re sucking all the air from the room once again……wow


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Denny’s Grand Slam,


Yeah, that tends to happen when I have to explicitly correct a misconception relative to the scriptures, sorry.


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Yeah he’s sucking it in one end because he’s blowing so much of it out the other end.


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No Ted, Jesus is not agreeing with this old scripture. He is referencing it to make another point entirely. That point is that the Pharisees are hypocrites and they pick and choose. Jesus does not ever advocate any killing what so ever. In fact he abolished the law when he offered himself as the perfect sacrifice.


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Cindy,


Because of your obvious frustration regarding what the bible actually says, of which you’re trying in vain to apologetically spin away at the expense of your rational thought processes, is no reason to attack Brother Ted in your posting above. Tsk, tsk. This childish act of yours only diminishes what you have left of your argument to the astute viewer. Wouldn’t you agree? Sure you do.


That being said, and very simply put, Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for their “man made traditions” that steered people away from His Father’s laws in the first five books of the bible, aka, the Mosaic Laws. Learn your biblical history, instead of hermeneutics!


Within the Mosaic Laws, there is the impetus of killing children that curse their parents.(Leviticus 20:9) You, and many others, for the sake of saving face, distort the meaning of “fulfill” to have Jesus saying, “I did not come to destroy the law, but to end it by fulfilling it.” Huh? LOL


This notion of yours is inconsistent with His own words on the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus showed that the spiritual intent of the law made it more broadly applicable, not that it was annulled or no longer necessary.


In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus makes it clear that He did not come to destroy, rescind, nullify or abrogate the law: “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18). With these words, Jesus likened the continuance of the Mosaic Laws to the permanence of heaven and earth.


Furthermore, Jesus pronounces that the fate of His followers rests on their attitude toward and treatment of God’s Mosaic Laws. Again, “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments (Mosaic Laws), and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). Get it?


Are you purporting that in the following passages where it states that children that curse their parents are to be killed, is somehow wrong in your point of view, and that you know more than the inspired word of God? To wit: Leviticus 20:9, Exodus 21:17, Matthew 15:1-9, Mark.7:9-13, and Mark 7:10.


Cindy, do you want to be called a liar in the eyes of God by not agreeing with the above child killing passages? Simply remember; “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6) If every word of God is pure, and the apologetic like you is not to add to them, then the passages in question above relative to killing children are to be held as God’s “pure” words to follow! 2+2=4.


Now, once again, it’s a beautiful day that you should be using to its fullness by being outside, so don’t take any more time by trying in vain to know more than the God of the Hebrew-Christian bible. Okay?


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“You, and many others, for the sake of saving face, distort the meaning of “fulfill” to have Jesus saying, “I did not come to destroy the law, but to end it by fulfilling it.” Huh? LOL ”


Ted, You must learn to interpret scripture with other scripture.


Romans 10: 4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”


Hebrews 9 talks about the “finished” work of Christ.

“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.”


Galatians 3 “And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcised avails anything, but faith working through love.”


John 15 10 “If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.”


Ted, take notice that Jesus is making a distinction between his Fathers commandments and those of Jesus. All Jesus ever commanded was to “believe in him” and he repeats again in John 15 17 “This is my command: Love each other. ”


Have a nice day.


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Cindy,


“In fact he abolished the law when he offered himself as the perfect sacrifice.”


With your statement above, once again, do you know more than the inspired word of God in this passage? “In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome (1 John 5:3) Do you see that the Christian is to keep the Commandments, all 613 of them, and that killing children that curse their parents shouldn’t be burdensome?


When you try in vain to rewrite the bible by stating that Jesus came to abolish the old laws, of which He didn’t, nonetheless, then are you prepared to abolish the 10 Commandment decologue? Really? I want you to think very carefully about the ramifications of such utter and complete insolence! THINK!


In this vein, are you prepared to tell the Supreme Court to remove the 10 Commandment inferences from their Court Edifice? Will you venture forth to tell the government of Alabama that they’re not to pass a bill in support of placing the 10 Commandments within their schools that is up for a vote at this very time? Yes?


Furthermore, are you prepared to tell all U.S. Senators and Congressmen that they’re not to have any bigotry against the gay community by passing any bills that would be detrimental to their cause of late? This is because the biblical basis for anti-gay bigotry is found in the Mosaic Laws of the Old Testament. Do you now know more than your Republican government officials as well when they use the Old Testament for their anti-gay bigotry? Yes?


I am sure that it was just an oversight, but you didn’t tell us if you were comfortable in worshipping and knowing that the ever loving God of forgiveness commanded the killing of children that cursed their parents in the Old and New Testaments, and barring the fact of commanding the beating of them as well? Yes?


Enjoy the rest of your day, praise!


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Jesus said that He “fulfilled” both the Law and the Prophets. There were three aspects to Jewish law: 1) ceremonial (ordinances–the spiritual code which was Old Testament Christology. The Tabernacle, Holy Days, Levitical Officers are included in this. Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial law, for example, as the Lamb of God or the Temple itself (the place of worship). The book of Hebrews argues that since the anti-type has come, there is no more need for a type (sacrificial lamb). 2) moral (commandments such as the Ten Commandments); the moral code never changes because morality is manifestation of the character of God which never changes, Jesus lived a perfect life in His humanity fulfilling the moral law. Since we are “in Him” we have perfectly fulfilled the moral law. 3) The judgments (the social code for the nation; these are questions of diet, taxation, divorce, marriage, etc). The judgments were social standards for living in the national economy of Israel. Jesus took all judgment upon Himself for our sin.


Since Jesus fulfilled the law(Mt 5:17) by living perfectly under it, a Christian believer is not under the law; Jesus made an end to the law for believers (Ro 10:4). The law cannot provide justification (Ga 2:16; Ro 3:20, 28; Ac 13:39; Phil 3:9). The law cannot “give life”


Have a nice day


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Cindy, it is quite obvious that you’ve swallowed the Christianity Kool Aide really hard by you turning yourself into a pretzel to try in vain, as you must to save face in 2013, to explain that one is not under the Old Testament laws anymore. For that reason alone, you’ve not questioned the passages and narratives that I‘ve shown you that explicitly state otherwise.


For every passage that you cite in favor that the Christian is not to follow the Old Testament laws, other passages and narratives can be posited to confront that position to show a blatant contradiction. Where there is contradiction, there is falsehoods. Where there is falsehoods, there are LIES, because no two contradictions can be the truth at the same time. Therefore, your faith is the absence of proof that only allegedly resides within a contradicting bible, and to build your faith upon lies is the most foolish act anyone can waste their time upon and at the expense of others.


While drinking your Christian Kool Aide, remember to follow what Jesus stated; “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27 KJV) The tragic results of what is taught in this parable that is attributed to Jesus, are recorded in the history of subsequent encounters of the people of Arab and Jew alike, in the form of Crusades and Inquisitions.


Just as Matthew’s Jesus declared, “He who is not with me is against me . . .” (Matthew 12:30), Luke’s Jesus orders his followers to murder those who reject his rule, and to do it in front of him. Yes, Jesus is the perfect sacrifice indeed.


“Onward Christian Soldiers” as a different ring to it, doesn’t it? Sure it does. Enjoy your religious leader, Jesus, and the contradicting, hateful, and killing nature of Christianity throughout the bible.


“You do not need the bible to justify love, but no better tool has been devised to justify hate.” -Richard A. Weatherwax


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“Assaulting children with a deadly weapon” can easily be just some parents exercising corporal punishment; I would make DAMN SURE it was assault and it was more than just some branch they had nearby.


I do not believe in “time outs” – they may work with some, but the vast majority of living creatures respond MUCH better and efficiently to carrots and sticks. When one does not work, try the other.


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Well, to state the obvious, unless it was a case of self-defense, you don’t hit other people with ANYTHING.


That being said, I would like to hear the couple’s side of the story. I can’t imagine what it would be, but I am curious.


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You just look at the faces of these two and see nothing but misery,meaness, evilness, and a pair of lost

souls just wandering this earth without a cause or being. Sometimes a picture can say 1000 words.


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Apart from Jodi Arias, I’ve never seen a mug shot of a subject who didn’t look miserable. I’m not about to judge until there is more information of this story. The story doesn’t state if there were any visible marks or injuries.


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Assault with a “Deadly weapon”? “Ya all know in the old days when it was “Spare the rod, spoil the child”, I think the majority of us got the whippin’ ? ARe you scarred for life because of it? I’m not talking about abusive beatings here. But some kids need more than just a time out to get the message!


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I will make a point of watching KEYT 3 and KCOY 12 tonight to see if they classify the “Deadly Weapon” asan “Assault Stick”, or a “Full-Auto Twig”, or a “High Capacity Stave” or some other moniker to grab the viewers attention.


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QUOTING AFT50s: “High Capacity Stave”


Oh my, now THAT is funny.


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Yes, and ….Any “High Capacity Stave” over 6 inches long will require a permit to carry it with a background check by the FBI.


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Did the kids have a marks on them? I’ve met some kids that needed to be swatted before and their parents were no place in sight.


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It doesn’t matter if they had marks on them or not. You simply don’t hit other people with anything unless you are protecting yourself. You ESPECIALLY don’t hit other people’s kids.


The fact that they were arrested might indicate the couple was not protecting themselves. But, then, in our area, one cannot assume that to be true.


I am interested in knowing their side of the story.


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This is going to sound unbelievable to you but I’m reminded of the time that I was sitting in an outside coffee shop at a beach resort. A local child of about 4 years old walk up to me, growled at me and kicked me in the leg! I said HEY and he stepped back, then he approached me again and I put my hand out on his chest to hold him at arms length and he scratched my arm and began kicking again! I yelled HEY STOP THAT and whose child is this. No answer came as to who he was. Then he came back and went to kick me again, this is a true story. I pushed him away hard and knocked him back on his butt. If I had a stick, I would have stood up and smacked him a good one across the butt. It turned out he was allowed to run around without supervision and his parents lived two cottages away. His older sister (maybe 8) came back with him and started yelling at me for pushing him! I stood up and said where do you live, she then kicked me and ran away. I won’t say what I felt like doing to these little brats.


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Well you know, one of them might have grown up to be one of these” parents”.

I do not believe in hitting women or children, but “one of these days alice”…


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I’ve found that if you hold their heads underwater for a little longer than they can hold their breaths they make the decision to stop being so defiant and mean to those around them. Also cures bullies and mean parents. Probably better if you don’t do that to anybody might scar them for life. Anyway I hate people that are mean.


If you sit around and pray that they will get more respectful you’re wasting a chance to whip their asses. I know that works!


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