Angry white people

May 7, 2011

Stacey Warde

OPINION By STACEY WARDE

I always find it amusing, if not sad and a little trite, when someone claims, “I’m not a racist.”

It’s usually followed by the qualifier “but…” and then a list of complaints about a particular ethnic group.

I recently received an email that’s making the rounds, subject line “Buchanan to Obama,” in which the conservative political commentator Pat Buchanan presumably wants to have a “two-way” dialog about race.

Fair enough, you might say, until you get into the heart of his message; which has the same “I’m not a racist but…” ring to it that seems to be making polite rounds in conversational and email circles these days.

Before we get to the “Buchanan to Obama” message, however, there’s a note at the beginning, from someone, probably an angry white person—it’s never clear where or how this “not a racist” message originated—which says: “Finally…………It is Said Publicly. I have never seen the white side explained better! Pat Buchanan had the guts to say it. It is about time.”

Never mind that the introductory note is riddled with errors in composition more common to grade school spellers than to those who think critically and ask questions about where they’re getting their information.

Never mind that it’s clear from the beginning that this is the “white side” of the story that is seldom told out of fear of being politically incorrect.

Never mind the little squiggly American flag, waving at the top of the message indicating that patriots will not want to miss this important word from an angry white person.

The note alone is usually the first thing that causes me to press the delete button on these electronic circulars, which do more to diminish rather than promote democratic thinking, dialog and debate.

If you haven’t noticed, lately, the quality of public discourse in the U.S. seems to have gone into a steep decline. I don’t expect it to get better any time soon, not when we can hurl more than a hundred million-dollar Tomahawk missiles exploding into the North African desert while handing out pink slips to thousands of teachers across the nation. (The late comedian George Carlin pointed out not so long ago, the United States doesn’t bomb white people, only brown people.)

Perhaps I romanticize the notion too much, that we could give more of our public time and attention to ideas and conversations that actually improve our lives rather than degrade them. I find few things more degrading than racism (or even the hint of it, as in “I’m not a racist but…”), and lack of education.

I get these well-meaning e-circulars from friends and family, attached with the email addresses of previous senders, who then forward them to others and on it goes, until they get to me. I usually trash them but sometimes, out of curiosity, I have to check them out.

When I find one that is utterly or even partially false, I’ll send the correct information to all whose names appear in the previous forwards.

This one, as it turns out, is for real, and is taken from a passage of one of Buchanan’s syndicated columns. In “A Brief for Whitey,” published March 21, 2008, Buchanan argues that whites cannot be blamed for high rates of crime and illegitimacy in the black community, that whites should not be held responsible for problems they did not create.

“Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America?” he asks. “Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?”

In fact, the overriding message is that blacks in America should be more grateful for all that whites have done for them. And this is the central message of the e-circular.

“First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks,” says Buchanan. “It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.”

Here’s where I have the most trouble with Buchanan’s and other angry white people’s thinking. What does Buchanan really know about “levels of freedom and prosperity” experienced by blacks?

Yes, Christian salvation brought to life some of our nation’s best activist churches, mostly black, during the Civil Rights movement, but Christians, especially U.S. Christians, have also been known for less charitable acts of righteousness, like slavery.

The worst part, I guess, is the subtle justification of bringing 600,000 slaves to the colonies so that we could cultivate and groom them, through several hundred years of brutality and servitude, into free and prosperous citizens of a freedom-loving state.

“We hear the grievances,” he says, but “where’s the gratitude?”

Yeah, where’s the gratitude? Thanks for Jim Crow, and segregation, and thanks for economic inequities that never make it into the mainstream conversation about race in America, but thanks most of all for a country that knows very little about racism.

Let’s not get into the racial issues of why statistics for crime and incarceration are “higher” among blacks than whites. Let’s not weigh the odds of how 300 years of brutality against people of color have become embedded into our national psyche and value system.

Let’s stay focused on the importance of being earnest and saying, “Thank you, America. Thank you for uprooting my ancestors so that I could be born in a free country to enjoy this nation’s endless opportunities and great prosperity, to have avoided the perils of the backwards jungles of Africa.”

That’s the message of Pat Buchanan try as he might to couch it in the vernacular of “angry white guy is tired reverse discrimination,” where blacks are given “unfair” advantage over whites through affirmative action or other entitlements.

What’s not said, however, is that without these programs, which may indeed have spent their usefulness, blacks would still be fighting (as some still are) for the right to vote, let alone attend the university of their choice.

“OK,” concludes the nameless angry white person who originally sent out this important message, “will you pass it on?”

Well, hell no, I won’t pass it on. The writer, however, in a disjointed declaration of commitment, action and unbiased nonviolence, answers for me: “YES. I did but will you? Because I’m for a better America. Sorry. I am Not racist, Not violent, Just not silent anymore.”

I’m also for a better America, and I too refuse to be silent.

Stacey Warde is a freelance writer and former publisher of Rogue Voice.


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racket

It’s nearly impossible to have a meaningful dialog about prejudicial issues when the other side keeps calling you a racist.


Typo, you’ve some kind of holier-than-thou deal going on around this issue. You need to knock it off because the only people that will listen to crap like that are people like you, and that is not who you need to be talking to.


The “are you still beating your wife?” line of inquiry is transparent, meaningless, and not helping.


abigchocoholic

Stacey,


what in the world are you blathering about? Slavery? Blacks compared to whites? Carlin saying we bomb brown people? Wait a minute, didn’t we risk everything taking on a white Germany? See, now you’re sucking me into it. This stuff is ancient history. Get over it. Nobody cares. What’s next the hot button topics of the Civil War South and WWII Japanese?


Try and find something productive to do with your time rather than getting caught up in such a stupid, go nowhere debate.


ahwrite

hey abigchunkachocolate,


and just what are you blathering about? your comments are irrelevant to the commentary. you take shots without ammunition.


nobody cares for nonsensical responses. wouldn’t you agree?


Typoqueen

… “and that is not who you need to be talking to”


Oh, okay racket, why don’t you just tell me how to think and who I need to talk to. After all that’s what you neocons do. You all must march in lockstep and follow blindly like sheep. When you get confronted with someone that disagrees you become offended, but it’s okay for you to state your opinions no matter how insulting they might be.


I am not acting ‘holier-than-thou’. Don’t tell me to knock it off, you’re not my father. What are you going to do, ground me! Is that your idea of ‘meaningful dialog’?


“The “are you still beating your wife?” line of inquiry is transparent, meaningless, and not helping.”


Beating wives,,,what in the h&ll are you babbling about? Trust me, nothing you are saying is meaningful or helping anything,,,or is it. Please tell me how you’re helping anything here? Please, I would really like to know. Please grace me with something that you’ve posted that is meaningful that will help others here, just one thing, that’s all I ask for. I will be waiting for that moment of zen.


racket

Sorry, not taking the bait.


Typoqueen

LOL, yes of course not because you don’t have an answer. That’s fine though because I don’t wish to debate with someone that doesn’t have logical answers so the only response is, ‘knock it off’.


TheRazor

Typo, I think you make some good points here, but you do come across as a little overzealous here and there. That’s all. No big deal. Otherwise, I agree with you.


Typoqueen

@Razor, I have become much more radical since Obama was voted in. I’ll admit that I get a bit sensitive on the topic of racism. I guess it’s because I’m so disappointed in this country, I really thought that we were past this. When Obama was running for prez I had friends sending me out and out nasty lies about him, it was as plain as day why these nasty things were going around. Now with this illegal immigrant issue people show so much hatred towards Hispanics and they simply don’t get it. This country is becoming more polarized and I believe a lot of is racism. Muslims, Obama, Hispanics, they have become the enemy. I guess this hatred for people that are different than us was hidden and it took the Teabaggers and then the Birthers to bring it out. So yes, I am pissed off. My very conservative father didn’t tolerate racism and I won’t either. I have been to Teabag rallies and I have spoke up to them even though I was out numbered 50+ to 1 just like I am here. We need to step up to these people because this is quickly becoming a cancer that needs to be cut out. I can take political bickering and debate with intelligent people but I won’t sit idly by while people like these regular CCNers talk smack about people that are different then they are.


Perhaps I’m getting more cantankerous with my age but I wish that more people would stop letting these neocons take over and ruin our lives as they’ve done since Bush took office. He demonstrated that intelligence doesn’t matter anymore.


TheRazor

How can one not get sensitive when it comes to racism? I’m on the same boat as you. I get e-mails regularly about Obama, and those e-mails are very, very racist. There is a good chunk of the U.S. population that will disapprove of Obama because of the color of his skin. I was just saying earlier that there’s a lot of racism and xenophobia, and our country has been so polarized over centuries worth of prejudice. It’s astounding.


The people you’re responding to do not even dignify a response from someone like you or from people on an enlightened ground. It takes a zen master to wade through the ignorance and educate the ignorant. The best course of action is to speak to the masses, speak to the readers who are reading what you’re writing. Talk to them about racism. I think you have a sound platform to stand on.


Typoqueen

I’m glad to see that there are a few of us. I honestly am astounded at how widespread racism is even right here on the central coast. I guess I was naive, I really thought our country had grown for the most part past this (other than areas in the deep south). It truly hurts me that these people say such stupid things. My problem is that when I’m hurt I get angry and I lash out. I have yet to meet a racist that believes they’re a racist.


Right after Obama won the election before he even took office I remember hearing several of the repubs in the Senate (including Sen. Boehner) and in the House say that they would never work with Obama and that they will oppose everything and block everything he does. I couldn’t believe my ears and sure enough that’s what they’re doing. That was when the light went off in my head, they are racist jerks, they won’t even give him a chance. They hated him before they even knew anything about him. I don’t believe that talking to them will help, as Barney Frank said, ‘it’s like talking to a table’.


justme

You can’t go against nature, Typo. It underlies all your superficial dreams of the mating of the races for the first time in millions of years.


It’s us against them….period. “They” know it and play the game accordingly. What you want (for some unknown reason is coming from too much TV in your past………..or some such nutseyness.


ahwrite

Racket:


Your wife-beating metaphor seems to stand for what I take is your interpretation of what the writer is asking of the reader: “are you still oppressing the people you once uprooted and enslaved?”


But why represent one truth (i.e. questioning a history of cultural/racial oppression) with another (i.e. questioning a history of spousal oppression)? No need to confuse battered wives with Pat Buchanan’s commentary on racial disharmony in America or Stacey Warde’s response to it. And honestly,I don’t get that “line of inquiry” from Warde’s response. I do, however, read a response to Buchanan’s question: “We hear the grievances, but where’s the gratitude?”


Imagine the psychic wounds you might be dealing with if your ancestors had been forcibly exiled from their homeland and enslaved before having to fight to earn the freedoms you now enjoy? And since you can’t possibly truly know what that feels like (if you are not a black American), why not cut out the idle, negatively charged, ad hominem banter; that is, please consider resisting the easiness of simply labeling Warde’s commentary as “transparent” and “meaningless” and tell us why you disagree with him.


By the way, he never called you a racist. He just asked you to take a look at how you view and interact with others. It’s good that you, like Stacey Warde, refuse to be silent, but don’t just throw stones at an idea you think is wrong. That would just be making a pointless racket. Make some real noise.


racket

Ahwrite: My comments were directed more toward Typoqueen than Warde (which I know is bad form and against this board’s protocol).


My “are you still beating your wife?” analogy was in ref to Typo’s implication that no one but her can be non-prejudicial; that people of different viewpoints can’t even express themselves without her accusing them of being bigots.


kenolboy

I can’t help but look for the truth to ferret out the false. Imagine the psychic wounds …..if your acestors had been forcibly exiled from their homeland and enslaved (improsoned?) before having to fight to earn freedoms…And since you can’t possibly truly know what that feels like (if you are not a black American)…really? Trying asking a “white” German, Polish, Russian, Austrian, Czechoslovakian, Ukranian Jew!! I’m sorry to quibble, but there are many people who can understand. I believe Warde is just writing an opinion piece because that’s what writers do. Truthfully, ANY minority, whether is be black in America, or a white wolf in the pack, or a Masai amidst Zulus will suffer some prejudice. It is human and animal nature, not just limited to brown people. You will find though, that you destroy your credibility when you include the illegal hispanic alien or any illegal alien in the category of racist reaction, because with that you are comparing apples and oranges.


zaphod

a “white” German, Polish, Russian, Austrian, Czechoslovakian, Ukranian Jew!

had no difficulty getting into business farming and education,,,,,,, blacks -niet yet

illegal hispanic alien the people descendent of the mestizo, indigenous to the American Southwest, thats right, the people who were living here when a eurocentric destiny was imposed upon them are labeled illegal by predominately Christian philosophers who believe that god actually made the world for white people.


ahwrite

Yes, really![I do so appreciate being equated with a weekend update sketch featuring Amy Pohler. How fun is that?!]


I was responding to Warde’s article, which responded to Pat Buchanan’s take on why he thinks black Americans should be more grateful to live in America. I wanted my response to stay relevant to the topic, but if the scope must widen…

Why must you insist on being the ferret of falsehoods, the warner of my potential to “destroy [my own] credibility” if I am to go down some other tangent topic where you prophetically insist I will be “comparing apples to oranges”?


I appreciate your expanded lens, which went beyond my response (to the writer’s commentary on the pulse of American cyber culture) to include other cultures, and especially your take on human nature. I don’t disagree with your cultural comparisons. I do, however, find it odd that you say you’re “sorry to quibble,” yet you seem to garnish satisfaction from insisting that your truths render my thoughts false.


ds_gray

You should have flagged that e-mail as spam and moved on with your life, instead of launching into this tirade.


As long as you keep bringing up the past in the context of the present, as if it just happened yesterday, we as a nation will never be able to move into a better future.


willie

I stereotype white, black, hispanic, and asian, its true”

“BUT”

Some of my best friends are black, white, hispanic, asian

“BUTS” are there

But its really true!

Maybe it ain’t got nothing to do with race, I either like or dislike the individual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TheRazor

I’m tempted to say, “Racism appears all over the political spectrum,” but that’s not necessarily true. Since Barack Obama announced his presidential campaign, birthers and like-minded folks on the right have tried in vain to de-legitimize him instead of having an open discussion about his policies. “His father is a Kenyan tribesman, so he must be a Kenyan too.” That logic has been widely debunked, and it continues to be debunked regularly — but if you allege that they’re racists for insisting on pursuing arguments that have been proven to fail, they’ll tell you, “How dare you call us racists! We have black friends!” But maybe they’re more xenophobic than racist.


There is a big difference between disagreeing with someone and undermining their existence and stature in life from xenophobia and racism.


For example, there are many GOPers and folks on the right who are not necessarily racists, but they’re definitely xenophobic. Rep. Allen West (R-Fl.) had recently condoned a political ad that provoked xenophobic fears about the Chinese taking over the country.” Did I mention he’s also a misogynist? He said in mid-April, “these planned Parenthood women, the Code Pink women, and all of these women that have been neutering American men and bringing us to the point of this incredible weakness — to let them know that we are not going to have our men become subservient. ”


GOP presidential Herman Cain is also xenophobic. When asked about appointing a muslim to the cabinet, he said he wouldn’t appoint one because “there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government.”


Even African-American GOP candidates are part of the scheme. Even 2004 U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes, an African-American conservative — who ran against the now-president for the senate seat — has questioned Obama’s eligibility.


Sure, I think racism plays its part, but I think it’s more “angry stupid people” than “angry white people” when it comes to this particular issue.


bobfromsanluis

I can agree with the “angry stupid people” argument, it just SEEMS like a huge majority of them are white who are bothered about President Obama and the “question” of his legitimacy. So should the label be “stupid white people” ? “Angry, stupid white people” “Stupid angry white people” or maybe “White people who appear angry and act stupid”? One thing is for sure, the level of anger is not “imagined”.


JonnyB

Very well written. But of course it will go right over the heads of those of a certain persuasion(ROGER FREBERG?) lol


Typoqueen

I wish that I could it the ‘Like’ 50 times!


Typoqueen

typoqueen is at it again…that should have said ‘hit’ the like,,,oh well


Silcad

Don’t be so righteous, Stacey. You sound like an angry white person. Lighten up and stop trying to put us into your neat little categories. If Allen West or Herman Cain were to run against Obama or anyone else with his philosophy, I would enthusiastically vote for them. I’m sure you wouldn’t. And you’d probably classify them as Uncle Toms.


roguewarde

Roger:


So, you’re going to base your criticism of my commentary on a photograph, and then make a false analogy with Al Gore flying in a jet?


First of all, the field is peppers, not a vineyard.


Second, yes, I’m a liberal, a libertarian, a conservative and any other label you’d like to add, which does little to further the dialog, but oh well, that’s exactly what is described in my article, isn’t it? The lack of well-informed opinion and conversation?


False analogies and name-calling seems to be what makes America great these days, never mind intelligent debate.


Try a little harder Roger.


seniorcit

You seem to question Roger for applying a label to you, yet the title of your story is “Angry white people”? Sounds like you’re labeling white people angry.


zaphod

Honest question: seniorcit have you actually read Stacy’s article?


seniorcit

Honest answer, YES! I’ve read it about 4 times now, since you keep asking. And each time I come away with the same take on the story. Basicly a story to stir up emotions with no redeeming value.


Typoqueen

I wouldn’t even acknowledge Roger if I were you. Life is too short, I don’t even read his posts anymore. He really doesn’t understand how to debate. He likes the old ad hominem way of debating and most of what any thinking person says goes right over his head.


You’re commentary was right on but you left out a few of my favs. As mentioned by others the oldest one it the book is ‘I have a friend that’s black’ (or lots of black friends).


They don’t get it. It’s obvious to any rational person that the birthers are racist, no doubt about it. The new term with them is ‘just because we disagree on his policies you call us racist’. They simply don’t get it. They don’t get that the constant harassment regarding his birth record was and still is obviously out of fear and hatred of the black guy in the White House. I have never seen a president so harassed, it’s shameful. I don’t always agree with him but he’s a good man with good values and he’s very intelligent.


seniorcit

Ah, more stirring of the “racist” pot. Funny, if I don’t agree with Nancy Pelosi i’m a right wing wacko. If I don’t agree with President Obama, i’m a racist. I don’t agree with Glen Beck either, so what does that make me? Just as we wish the peace loving Muslims would stand up and disavow what the radicals of their faith are doing, how about some Black leaders taking a stand for themselves? Someone other than Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright. I know that Magic Johnson does a lot for the Black community, but why is it you never hear much from him?

I am white obviously, so of course i’m a racist just by extension. I guess it is just an anomaly though that in Little League I wore #24, which of course was Willie Mays uniform number. Hank Aaron, Willie McCovey, all favorites of mine.

Look at the crowds at any Blues concert. The Blues. Started by Blacks. A bunch of white people mesmerized by their music.

Yea, but disagree with one in the political arena, and you are a racist.


seniorcit

If I might ask, one of you that checked “dislike” in my take on this story, could you elaborate on what you disliked about it? Just curious.


Typoqueen

,..” could you elaborate on what you disliked about it? Just curious.”


OK


” if I don’t agree with Nancy Pelosi i’m a right wing wacko”.


Like Obama, besides dropping dead there is nothing Pelosi could do that would please you. Like any human she makes a mistakes but over all she’s done a good job. When I’ve asked the neocons specifically why the don’t liker her, what politically she’s done the only thing they have, is she’s ‘wacko’.


“If I don’t agree with President Obama, i’m a racist.”


Here you are addressing what I said in an earlier post in this thread. In what context were you called a racist? Who called you a racist? If you are a birther then you’re a racist. Birthers aren’t talking about policy. If you don’t stand up and speak against the people holding up the Obama witch doctor posters then you’re a racist. If you hassle him about his collage transcripts then you’re a racist. If you are against Muslims having a place of worship a block away from the World Trade Center then you’re a racist. IMO those things are cut and dry.


“Just as we wish the peace loving Muslims would stand up and disavow what the radicals of their faith are doing, how about some Black leaders taking a stand for themselves? Someone other than Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright. I know that Magic Johnson does a lot for the Black community, but why is it you never hear much from him?”


Why don’t you don’t stand up to Trump? Why don’t you don’t stand up to Ann Coulter, Rush, insHannity? Why don’t you stand up to the birthers? Why don’t you stand up to every unjust thing done by a white conservative? Why should they, it’s not their job to do that, I’m sure that you don’t speak against every unjust action done by white people. BTW, I don’t like Jesse Jackson. Although he’s screwed up a few things I think that unlike Jackson Sharpton means well. Why should Muslims stand up against everyone of color that you don’t like. Should white ministers all come out and speak against Rudy or Newt for having affairs while married? Why should Magic J. explain things to you? Does he owe you something? That’s just silly. I am very politically opinionated so yea I speak up against things I don’t like but I don’t expect everyone to have that same interest. Magic isn’t a political figure, perhaps he prefers staying out of this stuff and who could blame him for that.


“I am white obviously, so of course i’m a racist just by extension. I guess it is just an anomaly though that in Little League I wore #24, which of course was Willie Mays uniform number. Hank Aaron, Willie McCovey, all favorites of mine.”


Oh is this the round about way of saying that ‘some of my friends are black”? No one calls me a racist and I’m lilly

white. I wonder why everyone keeps calling you a racist,,hmm.


“Look at the crowds at any Blues concert. The Blues. Started by Blacks. A bunch of white people mesmerized by their music.

Yea, but disagree with one in the political arena, and you are a racist.”


Some of my best friends are black, I even like ‘their’ music I’ and watch sports, I’m not racist,,,,,,,,unfortunately you just don’t get it and you never will.


Someone else could have probably done a better job at wording this than me, I did it very fast but you asked so I delivered.


seniorcit

Wow. Okay, I guess I asked for it.

1. How do you know there is nothing Nancy Pelosi could do that would please me?

2.If a person questions someones college transcripts, and or birth certificate. their clearly racist? That’s a pretty broad brush stroke isn’t it? By the way, Muslim is a faith, not a race. So if I object to a Mosque, how can I be a racist?

3.Why don’t you don’t stand up to Trump? Why don’t you don’t stand up to Ann Coulter, Rush, insHannity? Why don’t you stand up to the birthers? Did you even read what I said? Maybe I wasn’t clear. How about more Black leaders besides the ones that I mentioned. More leaders that could be looked up to as inspiration and proof that goals can be achieved? Stand up FOR. Not stand up TO.

4.Oh is this the round about way of saying that ‘some of my friends are black”? No one calls me a racist and I’m lilly

white. I wonder why everyone keeps calling you a racist,,hmm. An arguement I can’t win. I mention someone I admired growing up, and you play the “some of my best friends are black” card.

5.Some of my best friends are black, I even like ‘their’ music I’ and watch sports, I’m not racist,,,,,,,,unfortunately you just don’t get it and you never will. You’re right. I don’t get it. At least what you are selling. Can you list some of your attributes that show clearly that you are not racist? You know, like do you participate in civil rights movements, do you attend Muslim rallys, do you seek out multi-cultural neighborhoods to live in? Or do you just preach that you are not racist?


r0y

Because that is how most on the left, and a few on the right reason: all or none. With us or against us. Of course they think they are “moderates” or “in the middle” – which is almost never the case, that I’ve found.


You nailed it, seniorcit, in all your posts in this topic. Stirring the pot. That’s what too many like to do.


Check out the Atascadero Junior High article on flag-waving and you’ll be sickened by all the race-criers. They can’t help it, they were raised like that: hate something bad and you’re automatically good.


Typoqueen

Okay, then please tell me specifically why you think Polosi is wacky, which policy or lifestyle choice makes her wacky?


Did you question Bush’s birth or ask for his transcripts, has any president had these things scrutinized? Why Obama, if not racism then please tell me why because in all honesty I haven’t been able to come up with a logical answer.


What do you call a person that hates an entire group of people because of their religion?


One doesn’t need to participate in civil rights movements or Muslim rallies to demonstrate that they aren’t racist but I would. Have you? I do not put up with racism in people that might demonstrate it in front of me.


I won’t address all your points again. It’s nothing personal, my last post to you went on too long. You get my drift.


seniorcit

Where exactly did I say Nancy Pelosi was wacko? George Bush had no red flags as to where he was born. With a name like Barack Hussien Obama, who was raised in Indonesia, and was a total unknown, some might question his heritage. That he was not forthcoming with that information only fuels the issue. Also, where did I say I questioned his birthplace? Where did I say I hate an entire group of people because of their religion? Maybe a little reading comprehension training is in order for you.


Typoqueen

“Where exactly did I say Nancy Pelosi was wacko?”

You didn’t. As I said, when I inquire as to why so many of you dislike and seem to hate her just as you did in one of these posts you don’t have an answer. Your words were ‘that you didn’t agree’, okay, with what specifically? You didn’t call her a wacko but that’s the only answer I get from the right. Why not tell me what policy or lifestyle thing it is that you dislike? I have come to the conclusion due to not having an answer that she is hated by the right (or in words disagree) because she’s a dem and that’s all.


“George Bush had no red flags as to where he was born. With a name like Barack Hussien Obama, who was raised in Indonesia, and was a total unknown, some might question his heritage. That he was not forthcoming with that information only fuels the issue. Also, where did I say I questioned his birthplace?”


In the beginning of this very paragraph you are questioning his birthplace because of his his name and one of the places that he lived as a child. I as well as I John McCain came from military families and lived in different countries as children. Do you have this same concern for McCain,,,,I guess not because he has a ‘better’ name. Obama was forthcoming with his birth place. The legal form of live birth has been public from the day it was brought up. The head of Hi. health admin also came out and said that he was born there. You questioning as you did in this paragraph because of his name sure sounds racist to me.


“Where did I say I hate an entire group of people because of their religion? Maybe a little reading comprehension training is in order for you.”


Well you did say this

“By the way, Muslim is a faith, not a race. So if I object to a Mosque, how can I be a racist?”


Tell me a good rational reason for objecting to a Mosque? What’s the difference between a Mosque or a church? Somehow I’ll bet that you wouldn’t object to a church.


seniorcit

Here is what I originally wrote, ” Funny, if I don’t agree with Nancy Pelosi i’m a right wing wacko. ” Okay, here is what you wrote,”Okay, then please tell me specifically why you think Polosi is wacky, which policy or lifestyle choice makes her wacky? There’s that reading comprehension issue at work.

Here is what I wrote concerning birthplace. “some might question his heritage.” Have you ever heard the term “playing devils advocate”?

Here is what I wrote, “So if I object to a Mosque, how can I be a racist?” Did you read the “if” in there? Wait a minute. You’re the one that brought up objecting to a mosque. I never said anything about a mosque when this started. So now you have a reading comprehension issue, and you seem to project.

Have a great day! Although that has to be hard for you with all of us scoundrels out here.


Typoqueen

Well, I’m relieved that you don’t have a problem with Polosi.

I’m relieved that you don’t have a problem with the Mosque in NY. Although it sounded to me like you have a problem with those things including Obama’s birth place I’m relieved that I read all that wrong and that you were just playing devils advocate.


I could go back and forth with you on this and keep explaining my side and you on yours but we will talk in circles.


seniorcit

For some reason, there is no reply box under Typoqueen’s last post to me. Is there a limit to how many reply’s one can make to each other?

In any event, Whoa,whoa,whoa. I didn’t say I didn’t have a problem with Nancy and those other things. I do. It doesn’t make me a racist. It simply means I disagree with the way their business is conducted. The way I handle that disagreement is by the way I vote, and by sending letters to my representatives informing them of what I would like to have happen. Doesn’t do any good, but at least I try.


zaphod

Ah, more stirring of the “racist” pot =evading Stacy’s main points

so what does that make me = troll or derail

Someone other than = you want to pick leaders YOU like.???

but why is it you never hear much from him?= busy with celebrity endorsements and basketball I suppose

all favorites of mine= what you seem to want to go on about here,what about the article?

disagree with one in the political arena, and you are a racist= this may be the case, depending on what you mean by “one”, did you actually read Stacy’s article and what did you think about it?


seniorcit

Good trick. Use parts of a sentence and then give it a different slant. I’m not really sure what you are after. His article mentioned blacks, racism, and angry white people, so I assume he was talking about racism. Or more stirring of the racist pot if you will.


zaphod

Italics are your call, plain text is my response you asked I replied, no slant . obvious that you did not bother to read the article we are talking about.


seniorcit

I read it and that is my take on it. As far as I am concerned I don’t see any reason for it to have been written in the first place. Enlighten me. What was the point of the story.


zaphod

What does Buchanan really know about “levels of freedom and prosperity” experienced by blacks? for instance. he once claimed that white men built Washington DC, however history shows slaves did most heavy lifting.


rogerfreberg

Stacy,


I can’t help but notice the background you have chosen for your photo. It is a picture of a vineyard, tranquil and affluent. It reminds me that I have also heard Al Gore wax on in the same way as you do; that is, before he takes a flight somewhere fun in his jet.


You try to speak very authoritatively about the experiences and feelings of various ethnicities in America; but you appear to be just another liberal guy saying,”hey, I am not racists… but THIS other guy is!” This is no way to build bridges, gain converts… or win an argument.


Try harder.


R.Hodin

It must be “Shoot The Messenger Saturday” at the Freberg household.


Tell us, Roger, should CCN readers treat your <> columns the same way?


r0y

You should be better than that, Russ! Gutter-sniping is beneath you! At least add something pertinent to the discussion, THEN take a snipe… sheesh! ;-)


Roger does have a good point (generalizing here, nothing against roger or stacy): Too often people want to cry foul, just to assuage their own self-imposed guilt; and that just does not help the over-all picture much. If you want to truly end racism, you do not go around screaming racism everywhere and belittling anyone you “think” is a racist. That starts to look like fascism.