Plans for reducing police violence

December 26, 2014

Jim GriffinOPINION By JIM GRIFFIN

There is a deep seated crisis in the country, and a mounting uproar, about police violence in general and police shootings of unarmed civilians in particular. Some people excuse the behavior of police pretty much no matter what.

Many more people are putting forth ideas aimed at stopping extreme police violence by reforming the system of policing. Some of these Ideas are the following:

Mandating that police wear body cameras that cannot be turned off by the officer, better training for police including intense sensitivity training about communities of color and poverty, more careful selection of candidates wanting to become police weeding out through careful and intensive testing and screening interviews those prone to violence, bullying, prejudice against minorities, super macho ego trips, sociopathic acting out, and so on.

Require massive efforts to recruit minority citizens in large numbers to become police officers, to also be vetted. Careful re-writes of laws and rules about the use of force by police and the various levels of force and technologies of force to be used and under what conditions, with an emphasis on non-lethal force and non-lethal weapons technology:

Require attempts to talk situations down first. Less violent martial methods second and no choke holds, etc. No fists, pepper spray and/or stun guns, night sticks within reason.

And finally, guns should be used only as a last resort when the life of an officer is truly threatened or the officer is truly threatened with severe bodily injury.

Then strictly enforce these hierarchy-of-force rules. Establish severe penalties, including prison sentences, for cops found guilty of violating these rules/laws, especially when a killing of an unarmed person happens.

Stop supplying police departments with heavy military hardware and military training — and a military mentality.

Mandate that police officers live within the city they work in, carrying that even to the point of mandating that they live within the same area/district/precinct where they work/patrol.

Totally reform, open up, and end the secrecy of the whole grand jury system. Severely curb the wide latitude that prosecutors/district attorneys have in setting up, selecting, managing (manipulating) and using grand juries. Use blind lotteries to select grand jurors, but mandate that they be made up of proportions of people who at least roughly match the racial-ethnic-economic makeup of the community.

Establish the regular, mandated selection of independent special prosecutors for investigations and actions concerning police violence ending in death or severe injury to civilians.

No pay for cops put on suspension for unarmed civilian killings.

Legalize marijuana and decriminalize possession of other street drugs under careful regulation. Stop mass arrests and imprisonment for petty drug charges. Take the cops out of this.

End arrest quotas for federal or state subsidies of police departments. Continue the building of mass protest mobilizations and coalitions to expose and fight against all forms of police violence and brutality and all forms of oppression generally.

These are good ideas and should be implemented ASAP. There is no time to lose. But in the final analysis, a massive amount of fundamental social and cultural transformation in general is really the only way to solve police violence problems and all the social ills that lead to the atmosphere and background noise that make out-of-control police violence inevitable.

The reforms listed above are definitely part of it, without doubt. But, in my opinion, much more is needed.

In following paragraphs after that I put forward overall suggestions for comprehensive socio-economic changes. Both these lists will seem very radical to some, no doubt, but I believe that, at some point in the future of our nation, these ideas will be accepted pretty much without question. See what you think:

(1) The separation between police and the population must be dissolved. Policing duties should be spread among formal officers of the law and militias made up of qualified, carefully trained, carefully selected and even elected local citizens who patrol neighborhoods. Assisting them would be beefed up and trained neighborhood watch groups. Full and constant communication among all these allied forces must be assured. Adjunct forces should also often follow and monitor the behavior of the regular police, especially those with histories of troubled and violent relations with the community, to observe possible criminal/improper behaviors and report them/take action.

(2) All types of police and adjunct forces as above should be heavily populated with specialists in sociology, conflict resolution, social work, psychology and social psychology, social dynamics, etc. We must get away from the reality of some officers being brutal tough guys with chips on their shoulders and hiding behind badges to vent their sociopathic tendencies. We must not tolerate mindless thugs and killers in uniform who have official authority, hostile attitudes, and deadly weapons.

(3) Police and adjunct forces should be trained in less aggressive but effective forms of martial arts such as Aikido and Judo, etc., including non-lethal holds and immobilization methods.

(4) Elected civilian police review boards should be established, fully empowered to investigate, interrogate, arrest, charge, indict, detain — and fire — police officers who commit or allegedly commit crimes/offenses. These boards should also have final say about hiring police in the first place, and be completely accessible for complaints about cops from regular citizens. These boards would supersede prosecutors in these cases. No police or ex-police or any persons related to or having any historically close connection to police should be allowed on these boards.

(5) Elected community councils should be established to work with elected civilian police review boards and with all governmental bodies to oversee these matters of public safety along with issues of poverty, unemployment, family dissolution, street and other crime activities, alienated and marginalized persons, and so on.

(6) In the end, overzealous policing and violence are only surface symptoms of a society in deep socio-economic crisis, with hostility toward minority communities and the poor becoming almost inevitable on the part of the repressive forces of the ruling, mostly white, wealthy elite.

Massive efforts and legislation must be carried out and passed to, create and protect good paying jobs, public and private sector, provide free higher education and craft/trade training for those willing to work hard, supply quality affordable housing on a massive scale, establish a fully living level minimum wage, protected fully against inflation, free up and expand democratic, rank-and-file controlled unions and other forms of independent, rank-and-file controlled workers’ organizations, clean up and brighten up blighted, polluted neighborhoods, protect democratic rights and civil liberties, expand and adequately fund the legal aid and public defender system.

Think about it and you’ll see why all the above ideas have a lot to do with ending conditions that lead to police violence and a corrupt legal system. Increasing poverty and misery among masses of people leads to mass desperate behaviors and to the hardening of aggressive attitudes of police, grand juries, courts, etc. This dangerous soup lays the basis and groundwork for increasing clashes between law enforcement and communities of color and economic desperation.

On the present path, sooner or later, some persons and forces within these communities, organized and ad hoc, are going to figure that they might as well arm themselves and be ready to fight back against police in order to defend themselves and defend others. At the least, some groups in some communities will form community defense squads to follow police, and intervene — perhaps with arms in hand — if brutality and threats to life develop.

In general, these community defense forces will likely conclude that they have nothing to lose. They’ll conclude that the oppressive system is becoming increasingly violently and murderously oppressive — an actual police state. The cops are going to shoot anyway, so why not be ready to shoot back and at least go down fighting — or win and get away ?

In this context, cops perceived to be predators, and who get off Scott free, will possibly begin to be systematically hunted down and killed by citizens taking matters into their own hands. I’m not advocating this, and I know nothing of any plans of persons or groups in this regard.

I condemn such ideas and caution strongly against them. I’m simply saying that these and the other less aggressive defensive actions by communities are pretty much inevitable if things don’t change drastically — and soon. People will fight for their lives when their backs are against the wall and they see no alternative, and conclude that the system has abandoned them and is killing — executing — them routinely. It’s as simple as that. Police officers themselves have a vital interest in ending the scourge of out-of-control cops whose ruthless and dangerous actions can lead to the above virtual civil war on our streets.

We have a lot of work, soul searching, and thinking to do as a society about these issues. We have a huge amount of things that desperately need changing. Will we do it ? I don’t know. I hope so, but time will tell. It depends on you and me — and on the cops who really are dedicated to protecting and serving and not acting like a hostile, occupying army in minority, working class, and poor communities.

Jim Griffin has lived in San Luis Obispo for six years. The son of a career Air Force officer, Jim lived in many varied places growing up. Born in California but moving to Alaska at 2 1/2, back to California, to Illinois, back to Alaska, to Canada, and ending up in the Detroit area, Michigan, when he was twelve.


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There are many here that feel Mr. Griffin is not in touch with reality.

However at the age of 12 he resided in Detroit area, Michigan with some of the worst gang problems in the nation.

Across four to five decades he and “everyone else knows” how the cop & justice industry works and will never “actually” change.

Their selection & training is geared to serve kings and not (even with discretionary authority) the common folks.

As non-status quo some of his ideas are, they should be seriously considered for some real change to occur.

Mr. Griffin is not out of touch with reality!


And why doesn’t he move back to Detroit?


Hint….it AIN’T because of the Cops….but the PEOPLE that live there!


Same goes with every “Bad Neighborhood” in the Country.

It’s not the Police that raise the kids listening to Kill Cops Rap Music….it is the failed Black Culture that we are not allowed to talk about that does that.


Why don’t you ask the author instead of making blanket assertions ?


Rich in MB says: 12/27/2014 at 1:31 pm


And why doesn’t he move back to Detroit?

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Really, I honestly do not know!


Hint….it AIN’T because of the Cops….but the PEOPLE that live there!

Same goes with every “Bad Neighborhood” in the Country.

It’s not the Police that raise the kids listening to Kill Cops Rap Music….it is the failed Black Culture that we are not allowed to talk about that does that.

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Understandable


However what I see are Mr. Griffins recommendation which can only come out by someone who HAS taken a deeper look with deeper understanding!


I was recently in a minor car accident on the freeway in Atascadero due to mechanical failure of my steering. I did not call law enforcement. 40 minutes after the accident as my car was hooked up and ready to be towed, a CHP officer stopped. He approached me as I sat in another car that had come to pick me up. This ‘officer’ began yelling at me that I was going too fast for the road conditions. ( It was raining and I was going 55) He was rude, obnoxious. and very unprofessional and completely wrong as far as his accusations. He would not listen to my explanations of mechanical failure and he had been nowhere is sight 40 minutes prior when the accident took place. I have heard from several sources since who know this officer that he is going through a nasty divorce, is about to retire and is going through a difficult time in his personal life. This man should not be on the job! He is an angry, bitter out of control individual that is in a position to cause great harm to himself as well as the public. These are the kinds of law enforcement officers that give all law enforcement officers a bad name. I know of 2 other people who have encounters with this officer over minor infractions and they too were treated in an unprofessional and hostile way. Too bad he is not smart enough to realize that he needs to get out now! I just hope his vicious, and mean spirited attitude does not cause anyone harm before he retires. If this officer is reading this post, you know who you are. Is this the legacy you want to leave after 31 years in law enforcement? I feel sad for you that you have allowed your personal life difficulties to turn you into a bitter old man. You need spiritual and mental health help!


According to the National Center for Women and Policing, 40% of LE families experience domestic violence at some point in their marriage/relationship. The overall national average is around 10%.

The rates for suicides and murder-suicides are equally inflated for LE families versus the national average.


Lilylu


Don’t you pity this CHP one bit

He will be getting $80K a year in retirement with benefits for the rest of his life.

He can drive worry and never get a citation or yelled at by another member of his club.

He can sit back and be proud of all the people he thinks were A-hole and got big revenge on them by cursing and citations.


I am not disputing your assertion regarding the officer…what I am disputing is your lousy excuse for the cause of your accident. Let’s translate: “I was going too fast for the heavy rain conditions and started to hydroplane at which time I jerked the wheel and completely lost control and crashed”


55 in heavy rain IS too fast and I don’t believe you had mechanical failure of your steering…unless you were in a 1928 Model A.


Lilylu, you need to look up hydroplaning. This could be your “mechanical failure of your steering”. Then look up California state law on speeding–going too fast for road conditions is speeding even if you are driving under the speed limit.


Maybe the officer was frustrated at your ignorance.


Possibility (Other side of the coin)

Bad tires with too quick a turn, following too close-late braking, in moderate to heavy rain at 55MPH can easily cause hydroplaning.

Also nothing gets an officer more pissed PO or anyone else when apparent evidence show they are lying.


Have the police killed people I didn’t know about? I’ve only read about criminals fighting, attacking and pointing guns at the police. They’re the ones being killed (and rightly so). If someone will do those things to the police, imagine what they would do to the average person. There are over 300 million people in the US, show me a case where a white cop shot a black person who was just minding their own business. It has probably happened somewhere sometime, but it is not “rampant” in our society.


Amadu Diallo ,Frank Mendoza, Tyler Comstock, Felix Martinez Torres, Jack Lamar Roberson, Angel Chiwengo, Jonathan Ferrell, Denis Reynoso …


Many more at http://www.innocentdown.org/


Not all were black, and not all were shot, but all were innocent and ended up dead because of, or compounded by, cops.


Many unreported ordinary & poor in LA who were at the wrong place & time, beatened by LAPD/ Sheriff & not arrested, returned home and did not wake up from the earlier injuries.

In the 1960 families believe cops can do no wrong.

In the 1970 collectively people realized something was frightening.

In 1980s on, the majority of the society were convinced cops are

Every cops wrong doing (and victims & attorneys) was set up as an opportunity to profit more from taxpayers.


2 wrongs dont make a right. I think you’ll agree with me that all agents of the state should be held to the highest possible standard.


One wrong does not constitute a right.


Cops that commit murder or any other crime should be held to the same standards and prosecution procedures as any ordinary citizen.


Period.


And who says otherwise?

The problem is the assumption that anytime a cop is forced to kill a blackman in self defense that is somehow proves the cop to be racist. That is the BS argument Jim and the left is making to store up anti-police feelings. The left since the days of the 60s have hated the cops…they still do…and Jimbo is still longing for his legal pot, which according to the left is the fix for what ails ya.


To have a FAIR discussion about what is going on, and to be accurate, you must replace every instance of the words “unarmed civilians, “children”, “Afro Americans”, etc with the words “Criminals who resist arrest”. Because that is exactly who is being affected. Then you can have a discussion. Because only then will it be an accurate and NOT disingenuous conversion.


That is an outright lie. Nothing fair about this moronic statement at all …in fact, the exact opposite.


Uh….the truth hurts.

All of the Black Youths shot were resisting arrest, which by definition makes them Criminals. Simple: Don’t resist arrest….don’t get shot.

Just how hard is that?


Apparently pretty hard for the Thug Class and Liberals.


12 year old Tamir Rice was shot and killed in Cleveland after the cops arrived

within less than two seconds.

Tamir had been brandishing a toy-pellet pistol in a PLAYGROUND, but had not shot it at anyone.

Yes, it was not a smart thing to do, but the boy was TWELVE years old, and there was NO time for him to obey any police commands before he was gunned down in cold blood.

The suspect policeman that killed Tamir had previously been terminated from another police force for not having the discipline or temperament to be a police officer.


Eric Garner never resisted arrest. He had his hands up just before the deadly choke-hold was put on him by the murderer cop. Garner only protested vocally for being harassed ( which he was ), and continued to protest, “I can’t breathe” until he passed out and died. This is all on video. Watch the entire 14 minutes.


I swear, white racists are soul-less


as young master Rice lie dying , bleeding to death, his sister was handcuffed and his mother was threatened with arrest.


The indiscreet phone videographer of the Eric Garner police murder was held and arrested until released by court order.


zaphod says: 12/27/2014 at 2:33 pm

as young master Rice lie dying , bleeding to death, his sister was handcuffed and his mother was threatened with arrest.


Very Similar – Church going family come home beateded

When family come out – they were rough up as well

Nipomo family illegally brutalized by several officers

calcoastnews.com/…/sheriff-deputy-accused-of-beating-nipomo-man/


I need not tell you if I saw LE or the US Marine shoot kill or brutalize my child for no apparent reason and then extend bruility on concerned questioning family witnesses, as to what any person of any race or nationality would do!


So the cops are supposed to sit around and wait until they DO shoot it at someone? If they don’t drop it immediately and they get shot it is their own stupidity. Your post demonstrates YOUR stupidity regarding the real world of guns and threats.


Yes, intelligent cops should be trained to act with discretion and restraint.. Is that too much to ask from supposed professionals ?


So, a person with a real looking pellet gun)by the way, pellet guns are deadly too), brandishing around in a playground, but hadn’t shot it at anyone…and you would be happy if he HAD shot it at someone first? And what does being 12 have to do with anything? Just about every 12 year old boy I know has the strength and brawn to hold and pull the trigger of heavy caliber guns…If the stupid kid had put the gun down when told to he WOULD be alive. And you are probably one of the malcontents complaining about cops when they don’t react fast enough! Cops can’t win with people like you. personally, I think ALL of law enforcement should go on strike for two weeks. All of you fools would be crying for them back and twice their pay and benefits within three days.


Oh baloney. Watch the video and time it.

First, the squad races up and nearly hits the kid, which I’m sure startled him as it would anyone.

Second, the car has not stopped moving when the rider door is flung open, the killer cop gets out and immediately shoots the boy twice. Kid never had a chance. I’m certain that the killer cop never said anything to the kid. It takes around two seconds to say, “Put the gun down” once, and the killer cop claims to have said it twice, so he’s caught in a lie right there.

No, the killer cop never said anything, it was ‘point-and-shoot’ like a video game.


There are many ways and alternative methods that could have averted this tragedy, but the first is that the killer cop should have never been on a force anywhere.


sloweb says: 12/27/2014 at 10:38 am

To have a FAIR discussion about what is going on, and to be accurate, you must replace every instance of the words “unarmed civilians, “children”, “Afro Americans”, etc with the words “Criminals who resist arrest”. Because that is exactly who is being affected. Then you can have a discussion. Because only then will it be an accurate and NOT disingenuous conversion.


Historical evidence, the media itself, “Real Evidence” outweighs your suggestion for the need to be euphemistic.


We need all CHRISTIAN police officers!


In my godly backed opinion, we should ONLY have Christian men as police officers and no one else, period. This is because a Christian male cop not only could use the laws of the particular city, but God’s laws as well! It’s a win-win situation to deter crime all over the United States.


Our version of God is very specific on how to handle the criminal. God states with specificity that those who RESIST the authorities will incur wrathful judgment equaling a sword, in no matter what their skin color happens to be. The news of late where criminals were at odds with the police and met their death is unfortunate, but as our Hebrew Christian God states, they were wrongdoers that were not in subjection, and they incurred a final judgement!


“Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.” (Romans 13: 1-4)


“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” (Matthew 6:9)


Fellow Christians, now is the time to remain silent upon how the police have to incur judgment upon the criminal, even if it doesn’t meet your approval. This is within the same vein as being silent in the “No Excuse for Torture” opinion by Allen Cooper, whereas our God was most definitely into torture.


Let us not be hypocrites.


Amen, and amen.


Brother Ted … Also remember that Jesus was an Aramaic Jew, with dark skin and kinky reddish-black hair: a ‘person-of-color’.


One could say that HE was racially profiled by the Roman cops of His time, and ended up tortured and executed on the cross !


Selah !


Consider which is/was more oppressive to the ordinary citizen: Today’s modern police force or King George’s red coats 240 years ago? Which one seems to shoot first and ask questions later? It would seem that citizens are on the loosing end of ‘officer safety above all’.


Citizen. Through my rose colored glasses, I see only 2 classes of people that function under different sets of laws. 1) Citizens who are held to our Code of Federal Regulations, and 2) Military who are held to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


Which of these 2 groups does our modern police forces align with? Increasingly, I see them as aligning with neither as the rules don’t seem to apply to the police. They have used their union’s political leverage to get politicians to write laws exempting them from being held accountable. As a non native to California, I’m appalled at the strong arm brutish methods of most police agencies in this state. The ‘cop-i-tude’ of looking down on citizens as second rate humans runs rampant through the rank & file. It is time for our police to be FULLY subject to the same laws as the rest of us. This will go a long ways towards the police being viewed as our public servants rather than the current state of affairs where they are seen as our masters.


When was the last time anyone has heard of any law enforcement officer being prosecuted under California’s Civil Code 52.3? Yet, you know that citizens’ Civil Rights are being violated constantly in this state. As matter of fact, I would be willing to bet that it has happened somewhere in California during the time it has taken you to read this posting. What is 52.3? Glad you asked:


52.3. (a) No governmental authority, or agent of a governmental

authority, or person acting on behalf of a governmental authority,

shall engage in a pattern or practice of conduct by law enforcement

officers that deprives any person of rights, privileges, or

immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the

United States or by the Constitution or laws of California.


Once we have established that, federal code addresses this also in 18USC241 and 18USC242. Those codes provide federal punishment up to and including the death penalty for violating Civil Rights.


Personally, as a law abiding citizen, I would 100% rather be afforded the opportunity to be personally responsible for my individual safety and security. The police are 99.9% worthless in protecting individuals from harm. They are pretty good at solving the crime after the fact, but really lousy at preventing it from happening. There is a lot of truth in the statement “when seconds count, the police are just minutes away”.


We have incrementally forfeited our personal liberties in the name of security. A person can never be free when 3rd party agents of the government can randomly violate their Civil Rights without being held accountable. We have become subjugated by those we have hired to protect us. Both the government & its police forces are supposed to be working for us, serving us, the law abiding citizens of this nation. That is not happening and seriously needs a lot of changing.


Please read my reply to st33L on page two. It’s quite long to repost here.


The problem with bad cops is racism. Specifically, it is racist WHITE cops.


The problem sociologically across the nation is white people, where a majority of them are racist or prejudiced against non-whites in some way.


A very small ‘killer elite’ of ultra-rich white racists enables the non-rich white racists in order to perpetuate class warfare: countryman against countrymen, so that they can plunder and steal from all of us. ( Just as they did in the Civil War, where most of the ordinary confederate white soldiers didn’t own any slaves, never had, and were just as poor as a slave. )


Classic “divide and conquer” …and they’re winning. 95% of ALL of the white people are too stupid to recognize this fact.


As it appears are 95% of the posters here….where you fall was just confirmed with that last post….thanks.


I fall among troglodytes and mouth-breathers.


That is a badge of honor.


As a white middle aged knuckle dragging mouth breather in good standing with the NRA, I take exception to your tone sir.


Exception noted.


As a white, middle aged gun owner, I’ll be keeping a sharp lookout for you.


As a white, middle aged moderator I take exception to both of your tones.


Less about each other, 100% less.


Race Card: It has now been played.


choprzrul,


So what? Within the United States there’re about 75% of the population that call themselves Christians. Therefore, our bible is one of the most racist books ever printed on planet earth! In other words, Christians are to accept racism in no matter what form it presents itself.


I am sure the Hebrew Christian god gets so tired in many ways of his ignorant Creation. No wonder He flooded them out at one time!


hmmm…..maybe your bible reads differently than mine. My bible teaches me to love everyone equally. Jews or Gentiles, sinners & saints; they are all God’s childdren….including you Ted. While Christians strive to follow the Word, we are not perfect. All we can do is repent and ask for forgiveness.


Just love and care for people….give it a try.


choprzrul


Relative to this story, I will give you only a few instances within the scriptures that will hopefully enlighten you upon your biblical ignorance in that we’re not to love everyone, and our God is NOT the god of everyone as well. We read the same bible, but you don’t read enough of yours!


The first commandment is racist; “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” and which condemns those who worship any other than the biblical Hebrew God, Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 5:4)


Our Hebrew God stated; “a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth” (Deut. 7:6) Yes, His chosen Hebrew people of His own possession, and not the other people on the earth! Get it?


“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” ( 1 Peter 2:9) Key word; “chosen” meaning the Hebrews only with no other peoples, period.


Think, how can you show love to everyone when Christians are to stay away from non-believers as commanded?! “I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.” (Romans 16:17)


“In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.” (1 Thessalonians 3:6)


JESUS STATED: “He answered, “I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24) Can it get any plainer than this?


Jesus’ final instructions to his disciples couldn’t be any more specific in that He was sent here for the Hebrews ONLY and not the Gentiles: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5-6)


Remember, our Jesus is “King of the Jews” as godly stated in Matthew 27:37. He is NOT king of the Gentiles or any other ungodly faith.


I could give you 4-5 full pages of other examples that we Christians are a racial superior belief that are actually Jewish when we follow the bible, and are to kill other beliefs that run contrary to ours, Deuteronomy 13:7-12 comes to mind in this instance.


In any event, I suggest that you open your bible and read ALL of it next time. You can thank me later.


But remember Brother Ted, that HE said that He would not do that again.


Next time, He’ll use fire..


he may change his mind he’s unpredictable and mean. ask Jonah


No, not the ‘race card’ …the Race Game, that has been played for over 500 years in this land throughout its history.


Discrimination: 1. The failure to treat others equally. The setting up of sham or irrelevant categories to justify treating persons unfairly.

2. Illegally unequal treatment based on race, religion, sex, age, etc.


Totalitarianism: Absolutism in which the government controls most of the small details of each person’s life. This is done through propaganda, an intrusive military and police, etc.


These are conditions imposed upon 99% of all non-white American citizens today, as it always has been. Blacks and other ‘persons-of-color ‘ ethnics have realized this forever. They read and hear the racist code language that the racists use to pretend that they are not racists.

I.e. …they don’t say n*gger anymore. No, they say ‘thug’, or ‘welfare queen’, or ‘food stamp president’; but it all connotes the same thing in their biased opinions.

This not only makes them recidivist jerks, it confirms that they are fools.


I can attest there are also arrogant racist BLACK cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How about “McMillan and Wife”, where Rock Hudson played the Police Commissioner in San Francisco, where he solved crimes and not only did he never fire a gun …he never even carried one !


Peter Falk’s “Columbo” rarely carried a gun, and never fired it, keeping it in his desk drawer at his squad office for all but two episodes.


Are you smoking crack….you wouldn’t drive through these poor minority communities at night fearing your safety, but you want the cops to? That just nuts…but then again Liberalism is as Liberalism does.


Nope … don’t smoke crack , never have.


I’ve spent plenty of time in ethnic neighborhoods, sometimes at night, and I’m a pretty pale North European Scandinavian descent.

Never has a problem. Just one that came close when my black friends intervened and had the jerk that was trying to intimidate me thrown out.


No, most of the aggressive idiots that have tried to cause me trouble have all been white, and one of them was a fat, off-duty, obnoxious cop. He was drunk and being insulting to a younger lady that I knew slightly who was with a fellow obviously not white. The fellow smartly kept his mouth shut, but I’m sure it was from educated and experienced fear, and he may have known the goon was a cop.

I DIDN’T keep my mouth shut, and started singing “Old McDonald” loud enough for all to hear, and I sang the first farm animal that came to mind.

The creep launched at me, pinned me against a wall, but could inflict no blows or other damage as he was restrained and pulled off me by other patrons.

What this a.h. didn’t know was that I was personal friends with the Chief of Police. I didn’t make a formal complaint ( but others did ). I simply called my friend, the Chief, explained the circumstances, and left it up to him as for disposition.

What I did not know was that there had been previous ‘incidences’, but most had involved other dirtbags..

I don’t know exactly what was done, never even asked my friend the Chief, but it was not long after that that the guy was no longer on the force.

A bit later, one of the other cops I knew slightly approached me and thanked me for this, saying, “we’ve been trying to get rid of that loudmouth for years”.

I answered, “Don’t thank me. He did it to himself”.


Seriously? You consider TV shows reality…especially those two? It’s nothing more than entertainment mixed with fantasy.

This is the REALITY of the mean streets today…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-cMIVNntHs


THERE IT IS HERE! No reality here. Slowfast bases his opinions on Hollywood rhetoric. Give me a break. This guy is CLUELESS!


Mr. Griffin you need a dose, a strong dose, of common sense. You need to herd the pixies in your pea patch into the arena of reason, and keep your deluded “opinions” tucked away in a very private place. WOW


Max,


And, your opinion’s argument to why Mr. Griffin’s should tuck his away is…..?