Fairgoers attacked, allege official cover-up

July 26, 2008

By KAREN VELIE and DANIEL BLACKBURN

Three people were assaulted Wednesday night as they exited a shuttle bus after attending a Mid-State Fair concert. The victims contend fair and police officials are downplaying the incident to avoid negative publicity.

Following the John Mayer concert, the trio was about to board a shuttle bus at the fair’s main entrance when two young men boisterously pushed their way to the front of a nearby bus line, shouting “PR13,” a gang designation.

“We were saying how out of control they were,” said 28-year-old Robert Lindstrom, one of the victims. “They were walking in front of the fair yelling ‘PR13’ and elbowing people. I asked a policeman, ‘Aren’t you going to do anything?’ He shrugged and said, ‘I don’t know what I can do.’” Unbeknownst to Lindstrom and his friends, twelve more gang members already were on their bus.

Upon exiting the bus at Von’s Shopping Center in Paso Robles, one of the alleged gang members said to Don Burtis, “Can’t you control your bitch?” Though Burtis, 33, tried to ignore the comment and walk away, he was assaulted from behind by approximately a dozen young whites and Hispanics.

“I was walking up the stairway toward the parking lot,” Burtis said. “I was hit several times in the back of the head. I tried to get to the top of the stairs. They surrounded me and continued to beat me. Once we got up into the parking lot, I yelled ‘Help, Robert, help!’ Robert tried to help, but he ended up getting beat up himself.

“I am really upset the police haven’t gotten the tape off the bus. I believe someone is not being honest. The police or the fair do not want this to get out.”

The third victim, 26-year-old Lisha Beck, tried to pull gang members off her boyfriend.

“I turned around and a guy pushed me back and I saw them beating on Don,” Beck said. “I tried to help and a guy hit me. Don told me to run, but two people jumped on me. They were punching me in the face and I got knocked out. It was really bad.”

Lindstrom attempted to help, and was also beaten. After fleeing the lot, the victims called police, who responded quickly.

“They were obviously injured,” Paso Robles Police Sergeant David Bouffard said. “There are all types of fights at the fair no one knows about.”

Though the trio sported facial injuries, police were skeptical. Bouffard said the call came in about 12:30 a.m. He said the buses stop running at 11 p.m. and the victims said they had called shortly after the incident. He added that the victims had been drinking, and that the gang PR13 is made up of Hispanics, not whites.

According to the fair’s own schedule, the shuttles stop running at 1 a.m.

Lindstrom said he “went to school in Paso. There are whites and Hispanics in PR13. We told them [police] to get the video from the bus and the Von’s parking lot. I personally think there is a cover-up. They don’t want bad publicity and they are pushing everyone to ride these buses.”

The incident was not reported to the public by either the police department or Mid-State Fair organizers. Following the incident, fair officials canceled the Von’s Shopping Center shuttle due to what they termed “clerical issues.”

“This is not out of the ordinary,” said Paso Robles Police Captain Robert Burton. “We follow up on all our assaults.”


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Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Good advice curious.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

before we form a mob and burn the castle, maybe we should hear from the PRPD. By remaining silent on the issue, the PRPD is raising the level of angst among those with an axe to grind as well as middle of the road residents. This is a story that includes possible complicity and certainly incompetence and avarice. By not speaking out, Police Chief Solomon is allowing a dangerous mood to fester. Recommend the PRPD weigh in on what the real truth is before the story takes on too much of a life of its own, IMO.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

To Ponch


We should all bow and worship at your altar of common sense?


You pontificate much.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Hi All, I have received a reply from pOLICE Chief Lisa Solomon regarding the e-mail I sent her and my concerns about the attack. Here is her reply.

KODO'S TO LISA SOLOMON AND her department.


Hello Cindy-

I assure you, we are aware of this incident, and our officers are investigating accordingly. We are working diligently to identify suspects, and we will prosecute this case to the fullest extent possible based on evidence uncovered in the investigation.


Lisa Solomon

Chief of Police

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

And Cynical. I am no progressive and no liberal. Just common sense versus reactive idiocy.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Cynicalatbest still showing what a true Christian he is. "God given right." If you weren't so dangerous your antics would make you look like a clown.

Many people have given examples on how to deal with this real problem.

Deal with the gang members swiftly and effectively, by law. Educate and prevention to the younger ones. Alleviate conditions which promote the gang culture.

Mobilize neighborhoods and pressure the police etc.

Your cry for guns will end up with more innocent people killed. The last thing in the world I want is for someone of your poor thinking ability to have a gun. You have already shown your poor judgement. You are always saying God this and God that. You have twisted your religion to fit into your sick warped view of the world.

Come to my church some day to see who God really is and what he is about.

Don't be soft on these gang members. But don't over react like a moron either. You are a great example for the non Christians out there to point at the hypocrisy that your type continue to show.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Casual observer. Exactly. I have lived in Paso for 35 years and the amount of narrow minded demogaugery and stupid hate speech is truly appalling. Guns, clubs, these idiots think that they are really on to something.

Mobilize against the gangs. Educate and prevention and repair conditions which contribute to gang membership.

Organize neighborhoods and pressure the police. March, agitate, do whatever it takes.

But leave the cretins with their hate and racism and love of guns home.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I find quite amusing some of the posts being made here by those who want to cry racism and hate, etal.


To those "progressives", I say this:


We law abiding citizens of this culture are sick and tired of being preyed upon not only by mexican, black, and white gangsters, but also by people like yourselves who in my eyes have actually been one of the many reasons this type of behavior has been allowed to spread.


You accept this behavior for the most part as "acceptable", and say things like "educate", "rehabilitate", "find the root cause", yada, yada, yada.


Educate all of us "hate mongers" out here. What is your plan for stopping this madness? Calling those of us who express our emotions angrily, names? Accusing us of being racists and hateful?. Is that your answer?


I for one am sick and tired of always taking a back seat to the thugs out there who cause problems physically, emotionally, and monetarily to the rest of society. We are chastised by you who supposedly have all of the answers and who think yourselves to be brighter and more understanding than the rest of us.


Your "compassion" has even made prison life easier for these societal losers, by taking away all that is punitive.


Unfortunately, our police can't be everywhere at once, and in this case it appears the PRPD doesn't care about investigating this unfortunate incident. That says volumes to the bangers.


It's time our Gov't at all levels empower us, the common folk of this country. Allow us to fend for ourselves. Allow us the God given right to bear arms and to confront these menacing lowlife thugs if warranted.


It's not about hate. It's not about racism. It's about law and the right to take it into our own hands if justified. You don't fight fire with just water, you fight fire with fire.


By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

sounds like that idiot is one of the perps. Someone better check his green card.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Blame the victims rather than the gang members. Are you one of our men in blue?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

10-1 the peeps that got rolled were druck and obscene as most late-nite fairgoers are

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Tell that to the people who were beat up and the young woman who was punched in the face and knocked out. We will chill out when the offenders are in jail.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I was just informed that Karen will be on KVEC Radio channel 920am – The Dave Congalton Talk Show at 4:PM TODAY. They will discuss this ordeal and what can be done. Tune in, call in, tell your friends and colleagues. Let’s get the facts of this story out and demand action. You can also stream the show live from http://www.920 KVEC.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I live walking distance from where the alledged incident took place and I can say first hand that there is nothing to woory about. This only happens a few times a year, so what is the concern? Relax, fire one up and things will be fine.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Line up all known PR13 members and have the victims identify. It would be financialiy feasible to enter into a contract with the Arizona tent jail house to take all our gang bangers for us.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

To Casual Observer & PR13 and NRA United!


It is people like you that enable these gang banging punks. People like you chose to totally ignore the facts and resort to name calling. This is not the time to turn the other cheek. It is the time to call a spade a spade and take action.

Thank God people like you weren't running things during WWII. We would be speaking Japanese or German instead of Spanish.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I have sent the following e-mail to Chief Solomon at the below e-mail address.I suggest that others do the same if you would like to encourage change and make our local law enforcement aware that we all care and would like them to take serious action.


PDchief@prcity.com

SUBJECT: Recent Attack in Von's Parking Lot


Dear Chief Solomon,


I am concerned about the latest article reported on uncoveredslo.com and the news reported on Dave Congalton KVEC 930AM radio. It would appear that two male citizens and a female were attacked by a gang calling themselves PR13 and that your department "did nothing" to confirm the event ( by retrieving a video that was available) or to apprehend the violent criminals. It would also appear that this event was covered up rather than made public. If the mishap had been brought to the public attention in conjunction with an arrest(s) being made we would all feel much safer. What is going on?


Thank You,

Cindy Sasur


By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

We need more coverage on this. We need people to come out and start demanding that Hedges starts dealing with the gangs in our county. This isn't only a Paso Robles problem although they are the leading gang member infested city. This incident could and should be the catalyst to start demanding cleaning out these dirt bags. Take back our streets and towns. DEMAND ACTION PEOPLE. Where is the Tribune?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I want to know where my gang PRPD in the blue is? I pay tax dollars for this rival gang. Get out there and take down PR13.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I agree with your suggestion of pepper spray and clubs. To hell with this spices, club them into extinction. Maybe a few whacks on the head will straighten some of their thinking out.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Exactly my sentiments.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

This is not about racism. Both white and Hispanic gang members attacked the concert attendees. This is about the all mighty dollar, revenue from the fair, overriding the safety of our citizens. The discussion of guns would not be an issue if our men in blue were diligent in chasing these gang members. The issue of the video tapes is an outrage.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I prefer the teflon-coated armour-piercing 30-30 cal. myself, but that's just me.


the better way to contol the bangers is to use pepper spray to get them on their knees and then club them …kinda like they do to those seals in New foundland.. I don't think the bangers are an endangered species, not yet anyway

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

We are encouraging all our street gang members to join the National Rifle Association. The NRA offers many programs that are useful including marksmanship training, and ballistics science. With more of the citizenry becoming armed, we need to step up with both our equipment and skills. That's why we support the NRA.


Thanks to the NRA, we no longer have to use the black market to buy our guns. We just buy them at the store like everyone else. Or we go to the gun shows in Arizona where there is no registration, no nothing, required.


If any you other NRA members have more suggestions on the best guns and bullets suited to basic urban violence and street warfare, let us know.


By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

No mere article — and this is a good and important one — can illustrate the depth of prejudice, anger, hatred, and pure pathetic human thinking that these comments do. Delete them? Hell no. These comments should be required reading for everyone in this county. It has been a long time since I have been so frighteningly educated.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

It's jerks like you that slime blogs. You are clearly a part of the problem and a drain on the local citizendry. I suggest that we all ignore Mike V and don't respond to anything he says here. I wish the administrator would delete posts like his.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Like I keep saying if we enslaved all of these worthless illegals their kids would not become gangbangers, they would become slaves. Our economy would grow because we would not have to pay them. In most businesses the majority of the overhead is payroll. If we can eliminate payroll for many industries it would lower the cost of goods. Its a win win situation, they get to come here and we get free labor.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

KPRL reported last week that Vons was stopped because parking for it's customers was a problem…on the other hand, I friend told me that the bus didn't have the proper liability coverage this time arround and so the Vons people said "no mas". Pun intended

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

The Von's where the shuttle runs is in a bad area of Paso. This is where most gang members are concentrated. The public should have been warned and there should be an armed bus driver with direct radio contact to the police. The buses have video cameras as a crime deterent but what good are they when the police ignore reviewing them and pertpetuate a cover up to maintain county fair public relations? This has got to stop right now. If they cancelled the Vons shuttle bus its because its dangerous and they don't want to put any energy into deal with the local thugs.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Wondering if this is why the fair has now cancelled the bus stop at Vons??

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I am a liberal. However, I do believe the right to bear arms lowers crime. Do a little research. In areas of our country where a lot of homeowners have weapons, there are fewer burglaries. There was a congress ordered report done about 10 years ago. Two liberals and one conservative interviewed prisoners and determined criminals were more afraid of a homeowner with a gun than the police.


Gang bangers are the problem here. I bet the wimps unless they are in a group are petrified of guns.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Please folks, Lets not turn this into a political party bashing. I assume that Dems & Reps are all equally angry about this incident. Lets get together for once a put our energy into getting these gangsters off our streets. File complaints with the appropriate authorities, demand justice and action and try to stay on topic. PLEASE

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I AM a conservative you jackass!

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Thanks man, for all those tips on which bullets to use. We're over all this knife and baseball bat shit. You're right on. Firepower is what it is all about!

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

How do we know thses guys weren't jihad arabs discuiosed as mexicans?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Big Man,


Spoken like a true blame it on Bush kool-aid drinking liberal whacko.


If any party has widened the divide in this country, it has been and continues to be your very party, the liberal dems.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Everyone should be issued guns and allowed to shoot anyone they don't like. That way, NRA members, with our superior firearms training, will end up on top and rule the world! Cool!

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Great Post. Thanks for the facts. I'm with you all the way. I'm going to trade in my bullets for those plastic ones.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Dude, it's the conservatives who use "talking points" as much as anyone. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity script their shows around them and all the conservative wannabes spend the next week parroting them.


George Bush, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have done more to harm our country, dividing it, spreading hatred, than just about anyone.


By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I'm going to try today to see if KSBY will run a segment asking anybody that did get off on that bus to come forward. Someone did make a 911 call before we did. So someone did see it. Whether they are to scared to speak up or what the reason is I wish they would come forward. I am also going to hit the tribune and see what they can do to help. If any of you have suggestions please feel free to expound.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Sheriff Hedges blew his budget on the 24 hour, 365 days a year stake out at the Morro Bay medical marijuana dispensary.


The ironic thing is that gangs often fund their activities by selling illegal drugs. Gangs don't want to see legal dispensaries open up because it threatens their business.


Gangs will likely be supporting Hedges in the next election, while the cancer patients work on a recall.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Good Post Laura A…


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I have been reading this blog for the last hour. This was a very unfortunate “set of circumstances”. The police officer should have responded when the initial incident arose at the boarding of the shuttle bus. It doesn’t take more than two marbles rolling around in a tin skull to know that these were gangsters looking for trouble to finish off the nights festivities. I have great empathy for Robert, Bob and Lisha.

I would like to make a point that while it was more than appropriate to complain to a law enforcement officer it is always a big mistake to directly confront these ill breed mentalities in any fashion. They are in a gang and looking for a reason (any reason) to have an “ ass kicking party”. The officer should have known this. I suspect that Litha probably said something about their behavior within ear shot of the gang and that’s why they told Robert to control his bitch. After that , Robert, Bob and Lisha were targeted. It’s a hard lesson to learn and to swallow.

Apart from educating you about how to avoid becoming targets in these situations (as best as possible), I agree that we shouldn’t ever have to put up with this. These gangsters need to be apprehended and charged. They also owe restitution to Robert, Bob and Lisha. Complain to our City Council and the Chief of Police. There is a person who sent an e-mail to the Chief of Police at PDchief@prcity.com

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Here you are Curious:


A talking point is a neologism for an idea which may or may not be factual, usually compiled in a short list with summaries of a speaker's agenda for public or private engagements.


The liberal left, for example, most times prepare "talking points memos" for their liberal base to help them more effectively conform public presentations with this advice.


A political think tank will strategize the most effective informational attack on a target topic and launch talking points from media personalities to saturate discourse in order to frame a debate in their favor, standardizing the responses of sympathizers to their unique cause while simultaneously co-opting the language used by those discussing the specific subject. When used politically in this way, the typical purpose of a talking point is to propagandize, specifically using the technique of argumentum ad nauseam, i.e. continuous repetition within media outlets until accepted as fact.


By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

10 years ago when Florida relaxed it right to carry a concealed weapon those that did carry them went from 4% to 7%, but the crime rates dropped dramatically!

You can not argue the facts that when the criminals know that their victimes may be carrying a concealed weapon they are far less likely to attack.

Get a gun, learn how to use it, and do so when it is within your legal right to do so.

Never use a gun to frighten or deter a criminal. If you pull it out use it without hesitation.

You can get help learning about guns at the shooting range on hwy 1 near Morro bay.

I suggest a .38 special 4" barrel, spurless (no trigger hammer) so it won't get hung up coming out of your purse or pocket. Only buy a revolver for your first gun. It is very easy to know when they are loaded and empty. Semi-automtic guns should be down the road for you as your experiance level rises.

I also suggest "Glasser" bullets. These are the bullets designed to be used in airpalnes. It is a plastic bullet packed with small b'b's. No one has lived from an upper body shot from a Glasser. Almost all California prison gaurds use them because there is no chance of collateral damage. They won't even go throught sheet rock in your home. They are very safe yet when used right very deadly.

Most bleed out internally due to shattered atreries before the ambulance gets there. Then it's your word against no word. That's the best scenario.

Our Great founding fathers were wise beyond reality. They gave us the RIGHT to keep and bear arms. I suggest you do so! You may save your own life or the life of another innocent victim.

Always practice gun safety and teach your children how to use and respect guns. Start teaching them when they show interest or by age 10-12 for sure. The more they know about guns the fewer stupid accidents that can happen. Always store you gun and ammo ina locked place but make sure it EAY to get to when you need it.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

How about we issue every high school student a handgun the same way we issue textbooks, train them to use them, just the way they are trained to drive a car, and forever after when anyone runs into trouble, they just pull out their gun and deal with it like those guys in the western movies?


If more people would simply start shooting people who cause problems, we can get this society back to normal and we can all feel safe!

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Didn't Sheriff Hedges recently ask for additional funds to run his gang unit but the Board of Supervisors recommended a 10% decrease in funding?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

"I can guarantee you that if everyone walked around with a concealed gun, criminal or not, there would be MORE people shot and killed, not less."


as long as it's the bangers taking the hit, I have no problem with that

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

What is a "talking point" and why does everyone always bring that up. It's like someone told everyone to use that term "talking point" every time they disagree with someone. I don't get it.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Seems to me that if all this raw anger was directed verbally against the leadership of the Paso PD, something positive might come from all this. How about someone bitching to Mayor Mecham about this? Are our city fathers afraid of their police hires?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Hey Mike, what if one them decided to shoot YOU dead? So then it comes down quick draw contest between you and a gang of people with guns.


Are you sure that's the direction you want to go with this?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Typical liberal talking points bullshit from both businessman and Law Enforcement Expert.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

If I had a gun and came across a gangbanger and they tried to assault me hell yes I would shoot them, but I would make sure I shot them dead.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Can you imagine all the bloodshed if some citizen with a concealed weapon took it out and fired at one of the gang members? What if the gang members also had conceled weapons? So we end up with a total gun battle on the streets of Paso Robles. Yeah, THAT'S the solution! Jeez.


There's a good reason it is difficult to get a concealed weapon permit.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I can guarantee you that if everyone walked around with a concealed gun, criminal or not, there would be MORE people shot and killed, not less.


It's a comforting illusion that you can gain control of the world and forever protect yourself from harm by arming everyone, but it is only an illusion and not the direction to aim for if you truly want peace.


I don't carry a gun and there is statisically a better chance that I will go my whole life without being shot or mugged than a person who carries a gun.


The facts are facts.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

To: NRA Member


"Making it easier to get concealed gun permits will also make it easier for criminals and potential criminals to get them".


YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE NRA making a statement like that.


A real NRA member knows that FACTS. Criminals and potential criminal can already get and do very often get guns. IT'S CALLED THE BLACK MARKET.


By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I'm also wondering about witnesses, Were there any?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

I haven't seen people on this site "flipping out" and being unreasonable. Every now and then their is an inappropriate post (there are all sorts of people here) but for the most part these people are angry and with good reason. No one is going to shoot somebody over a gang sign, baggy pants, or a threat. We are talking about being attacked by gangs. I don't think you even are a NRA member. If these pucks aren't sure that we aren't armed it woulg go a long way to protect our families.Remember that the criminals already have concealed weapons.

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

Making it easier to get concealed gun permits will also make it easier for criminals and potential criminals to get them.


Having a lot more people carrying around concealed guns is not going to make this county safer.


Look how many people flip out and go ballistic simply posting on this forum. What's going to happen when someone cuts them off in traffic and they happen to have a gun in their coat pocket? Or they get scared because they THINK some kid on the street with baggy pants flipped them a gang sign?

By: Anonymous on 7/28/08

This is the part that really infuriates me:

"I asked a policeman,‘Aren’t you going to do anything?’ He shrugged and said, ‘I don’t know what I can do.’”

Folks, it's time to wake up. Although law enforcement usually does the best they can (admittedly, not this time), often they cannot prevent crime, violent or otherwise; the best they can do is solve it. It is up to us to protect ourselves. Unfortunately, it's pretty difficult to get a concealed carry permit in this county. This needs to change. Why should decent, law-abiding citizens be at the mercy of thugs?

I suggest that right after you donate to Uncoslo, you head over to http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaigni… and make another, equally important donation. It's time to take our streets back.


Stefan

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

Does anybody know if there were any witnesses to all this? I know it was late, but generally the Vons stop for the fair is one of the busiest with fair goers.

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

I wonder if law enforcement and probation, simply have too much on their hands with the gangs. Maybe they thought it was better to have three people beaten up by 12 gang members, than to have more than 12 people beaten up by 12 gang members. They will never tell us their thinking or strategy.

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

Its very difficult to survive on $1380.00 per month. That’s why the majority of families have two bread winners. They can survive on $2700+ a month without difficulty. I don't know any families where both husband and wife don't work. You site a poor excuse and excuse it is for this Neanderthal behavior perpetrated by the gang members. They all need a good ass kicking and a long stint in a tent city jail wearing pink underwear and working on chain gangs. Then they'll have something to be miserable about and they will recognize how easy they had it on welfare, food stamps and free medical care. This whinning is discusting.

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

"Many people here earn under $10.00 an hour or less. I don't see their kids gang bagging. Your line is just a bunch of bullshit excuses."


At 8.00 per hour, that's …about $1386.67 per month. I'm going to guess that very few of the people you know try to survive of that amount….but then again Senor….I could be wrong.


Manuel

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

Pancho Villa,

Let the PR13 bangers know that they are all in very deep shit. We are going to demand that the police find them and make examples of them. They better hope that some of us don't run up against them first. I'll be riding the bus back and forth from Von's hoping.

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

To Manuel,

If you were here legally under contract you would be paid $8.00 an hour or better for piece work. This is our minimum wage. Sorry that all kids don't get to drive BMW's. My kids don't and neither do any of my neighbors. Many people here earn under $10.00 an hour or less. I don't see their kids gang bagging. Your line is just a bunch of bullshit excuses. There is no reason that 2nd generation hispanic teens that went to school here can't get a job. Many hispanics do. Maybe with these gang bangers its because they are lazy and want something for nothing. Maybe they didn't want to learn english and demanded that we all speak spanish for them and then you say its because they are deprived. Who caused it? Yeah sure, it's the whites, right. Take it someplace else.

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

It's pretty clear that M.V. isn't a "thinking" person. Try to think of him as a comedic "wannnabe" and he seems much less idiotic.


Manuel

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

Once again if we all owned some mexicans, we wouldn't have to pay for our crops to get picked, we could all have maids and butlers, there are plenty of old unused barracks at Camp Bob to house them in. Then we could raze the crappy area of North Spring st. and put some nice homes, hotels, and condos in.

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

Pancho:

I respectfully disagree. Thinking people need to recognize what it's all about. Are you suggesting that I'm not a "thinking people", or do you just disagree with me?


Manuel

By: Anonymous on 7/27/08

I do agree some comments are over the top. But all in all there are just a lot of different opinions. Thinking people do not all think the same. I like the site because it allows everyone to be heard.