Carter under fire for using city resources in special election

August 16, 2011

Andrew Carter

By KAREN VELIE

Members of the San Luis Obispo public safety workers’ unions want to know why city councilman Andrew Carter is possibly violating the law in his attempts to overturn binding arbitration and implement pension reform during August’s special election involving Measures A and B.

Carter has been instrumental in bringing Measure A and B to the voters, while at the same time allegedly using public resources to battle opponents of both measures.

Critics contend Carter is using his city email account in his fight against binding arbitration, actions which appear to violate laws restricting the use of taxpayer resources or money to support either side of a ballot measure.

In addition, according to emails obtained through a CalCoastNews public records request, Carter has enlisted the help of city employees to spend work hours to disprove claims of opponents of Measure A and B that, since the passing of binding arbitration, paramedic staffing numbers have increased.

Matt Blackstone, president of the San Luis Obispo Police Officers’ Association, expressed doubts about Carter’s email use and influence over city staff. “It ties into the ongoing concerns I have with conduct of certain council members regarding the ballot measures. It appears they believe the ends justify the means.”

On Aug. 1, Carter emailed city Human Resources Director Monica Irons, with a copy to City Manager Katie Lichtig, asking Irons to help him refute the claims about increased staffing in the fire department.

“Do you know when we went to three firemen on each truck at stations two, three, and four and four at station one?” Andrew asks Irons in the email. “The firefighters are claiming this happened since binding arbitration was passed. But my records show little increase in fire department staffing since 1995/1996, which would indicate what they are saying can’t be right.

“Also, do you know when we shifted from two paramedics on duty to four?” Carter added. “Their saying this has happened since binding arbitration was passed.”

Irons sent an email back to Carter explaining that staffing minimums and paramedic assignments had increased since binding arbitration, but that she would also ask Fire Chief Charlie Hines to verify the numbers had actually increased in the department.

On July 29, Hines responded by email that he was “on it,” and would review the matter.

After several city employees investigated Carter’s assertion that the firefighters were incorrect about the numbers, it was determined the firefighters were right and the number of paramedics had indeed increased.

The use of Carter’s city council email account to inquire into firefighter staffing, and the expenditure of public employee hours in the fight against binding arbitration, appear to violate Government Code 8314, which bans government officials from using public resources including buildings, government employee hours, phones, computers, or public email accounts to discourage or support a ballot measure.

On July 27, a San Luis Obispo resident sent an email to council members questioning if two firefighters standing on the sidewalk in front of Fire Station One, waving “No on B” signs, were on duty and if the coat and hats they were donning belonged to the city.

Carter emailed the resident thanking him for his concern and voicing his own.

“My expectation is these are not on-duty personnel, but we won’t know until we look,” Carter says in the email. “If the firemen in question are off-duty and on the public sidewalk, they have a legal right to be there, even if this sends a terrible signal to the community.

“The wearing of firefighter coats and helmets is another matter. It is absolutely off limits to use city property in this way.”

Nevertheless, the firefighters were off-duty and wearing personally purchased coats and helmets while promoting No on Measure B.

When contacted by CalCoastNews, Carter said he was too busy to respond to requests for comment prior to publication because of teaching at Cuesta College and a Tuesday evening council meeting.

Opponents of Measures A and B are wondering about an email Carter–who is advocating for council control of employee benefits and compensation packages–sent Irons on July 19, asking how retiree medical benefits apply to council members.

Irons responded by telling Carter in order for him to be eligible for retiree benefits, a council member must retire directly from service in the city, be enrolled in the PERS medical plan, and be at least 50 years old.

If passed, Measure A will amend a city charter that requires voter approval to change employee benefits and instead places that ability in the councils’ hands.

Measure B would undo binding arbitration, a measure passed by the voters in 2000 that allows a third party to decide on safety worker contract disputes.

The deadline for returning ballots in the special mail-in election is Aug. 30.

 

 


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I have noticed an antique fire truck (a later 1940’s/early 1950’s GMC ladder truck) downtown on Thursday nights with “NO on A & B” signage on it.


This truck is owned by the firefighter’s union. It’s worked on (by on-duty firefighters) at the museum (don’t call it a museum! call it an educational venue!) which is housed in the fairly new metal building at Fire Station #1. City taxpayers not only paid for the building and pay for its upkeep, we also pay the wages of those working on the antique apparatus.


Here’s an idea. Since they are using union-owned equipment to get people to vote against Measures A & B why don’t we start charging them rent for the building? Perhaps we also need to ensure that no one on the clock is working on union-owned pet projects? Better yet let’s evict the union’s equipment, and use the building to warehouse anything the City is currently paying to warehouse elsewhere.


Ok here we go again…………the gmc at farmers is personally owned by a firefighter and he keeps it at his house. You are confusing that with the 1941 Mack which both the city and union own and keep at station one. Keep trying…….


Here we go again is right. Here we go again with you spinning reality in favor public safety employees. It would be one thing if you just leaned that way but were a reasonable person. But you will defend them, no matter what, every time. Well, they’ve been utilizing plenty of public resources themselves. This thing over an email is a joke in comparison. I’m not talking about a single fire truck, I’m talking about patrols in the places they have the signs, using dispatch to communicate need to replace stolen/defaced signs, and ON DUTY undercover officers replacing signs. And I believe I have sufficient witnesses to back this up.


I’m going to be nice though, because an officer gave me the benefit of the doubt the other night over what he claimed was a rolling stop.


WOW, they are really looking for those supporting votes. I bet the monthly quota’s for tickets in SLO is way down (and they do have quota’s, that’s a FACT) . I wonder if there is a way to check on that, what do yah wana bet they are at less than half with no sissy citations issued.


Did you roll through the stop?


No there was an incline where the stop sign is and i stopped behind the limit line, and then pulled forward, but I jerked forward a little because I have a manual and sometimes that happens on a hill, and then i stopped again because he was coming, but to him it looked like i hadn’t intended on coming to a full stop when I already had.


Cindy might be right (PR time because of A & B).

If it was not blantant (some good faith obvious), the officer should not have even bother you. If s/he had cited you, I would call it a CS ticket.


But during the past years (before A & B issues), I have honestly noticed a better selection/quality of non-traffic cops (I notice because I am no fan of CS arrogant cops fullfilling their granduer fantasies).


Time to either start charging the union rent for the museum or close it down and use the space to warehouse taxpayer owned goods.


Wow! Crusader, these are facts which deserve a follow-up! I wonder if the truck will still be there next Thursday night? I’m bringing my camera and tape recorder….


Compensation MUST be based on the free market demand. Compensation must be based on what the city can hire equivalent replacements for, and not what the unions can grind out of the taxpayers.


One of the most offensive things I have ever read is one of the bargaining units talking about what SLO taxpayers “can afford.” You got that wrong, sir! It’s not about what we can afford! It’s about what you’re worth — in other words your replacement cost!


And, what is your replacement cost, sir? What is your worth? What is mine?


Shall we outsource all of our jobs to China or India? It would be cheaper!! All of our employers would be better off!


“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. ” JKG


“The modern liberal is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in economic theory; that is, the idea that ‘what’s mine is mine, and what’s your’s is mine also’.”


The sincerest form of flattery : mimicry. thank you I

congratulations! there is only one search result for your “quote” one doesn’t see that very often,,, to be fair to you I also searched with out the quotes and the entire first page of results uses the quote from my comment ( you mimic) that links people with something real to say about events and ideas…


Zaphod

If your name is Lori, I know you.

There are very few people who study philosophy and other cultures.

To know as much as you do, I am just guessing.


Don’t be emotional and absurd, Natalie. The replacement cost of a SLO firefighter is the cost of hiring a qualified replacement. SLO public safety employee compensation is WAY out of line with what comparable communities are paying public safety employees. It needs to be corrected now.


I have it on pretty good word that police were utilizing dispatcher resources to replace missing No on A and B signs. They might want to be careful about where they tread with this.


I think I have sufficient proof too.. you guys listening? Keep it up…


I don’t think they are scared of you….


I don’t think they are either… and when an armed group of government employees is no longer scared of any of the public, even those who have negative information on them, then that is a very bad and dangerous thing.


slojo

and

mkaney

What the both of you said is VERY VERY TRUE!


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I’d say that certainly puts us WELL above average., even WITH some cuts.


To ApathyWillKillYou: How can you be sure that the salary information submitted to the Web site is actually being submitted accurately, and that it’s not someone just wanting to skew the results?


“Andrew Carter is possibly violating the law in his attempts to overturn binding arbitration and implement pension reform”.


Wow like the Hurst gang didn’t violate the laws of this state and humanity, tell me this, what the hell would be so wrong with pension reform, we can’t keep paying these outrages pensions when the state and country is broke, somebody turn the light on no one can see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The bargaining unit creeps play dirty. This is going to be a HUGE backlash when Measures A&B pass.


I can’t wait to see Andrew lose it when measure B doesn’t pass.


slojo…why are you so certain that Measure B (and A I assume) will not pass? A straw poll of my neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc., seems to indicate otherwise. Maybe is just the crowd I run with, but a lot of people are struggling to make ends meet, and feel that the current SLO PD/FD salaries/pensions are excessive. In all fairness, I have a good friend that works for SLOPD and I did not ask him which way he was voting :-)


I would be surprised if they don’t pass.


Because I believe most people, when given the facts, agree that the city needs to negotiate in good faith and having binding arbitration ensures that….on both sides.


People realize it is not about salaries because when you know the facts, you know the unions agree changes need to be made and are willing to make concessions as they have in the past. It’s about the public’s safety. The unions fight to keep enough firefighters, paramedics and cops on the streets to not only keep you safe but them as well.


This city was not named the happiest city in America because it’s pretty. It’s because people are happy and when people feel safe and well taken care of they are happy. SLO City has such a great level of service compared to sooooo many other places and if measure B passes you better believe that level of service will go down. Less cops on the street, fire station closures and less paramedics. Why would anyone want that?


@slojo…regarding your comment “SLO City has such a great level of service compared to sooooo many other places and if measure B passes you better believe that level of service will go down.”…here is what you are doing… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_mongering


But, let’s say that you are correct and service goes down, even if it was measurable, it would only be by a 1% or 2% at most. If we can reduce the cost of our PD/FD long term obligations (salaries and pensions) by say 20%, then I think that is a good return on the investment. Don’t you agree?


However, following your logic that the highest level of service is best for the community (disregarding the cost to the residents), then we should propose to double the current PD/FD benefits and gain another 2% to 3% level of service. Right?


Oh, by the way, this is what I am doing… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man


Question…….what do you think happens if service goes down? What are the results?


nothing


@ slojo…I guess I shouldn’t use sarcasm to state my opinions. Not everyone gets it…obviously you didn’t. So, I will make my point simply. The so call “reduction” in service, even if true, will be miniscule compared to the possible reduction in funding obligations (salaries and pensions) that we can realize from re-negotiating PD/FD contracts.


If this affects you personally because you work for the City, you need to keep in mind that this argument is about keeping the City solvent while paying reasonable wages for its services. If you think that the City is currently NOT overpaying for PD/FD services, then you and I will have to agree to disagree and let the vote of the people speak.


Cheers!


FYI, I don’t work for the city.


“The so call “reduction” in service, even if true, will be miniscule compared to the possible reduction in funding obligations (salaries and pensions) that we can realize from re-negotiating PD/FD contracts.”


I don’t think the people directly afftected by that “miniscule” reduction would agree with you. What about the person who called 911 because thier father is having a heart attack? What about the people trapped inside a burning building? What about the person trapped in a vehicle bleeding to death You’re right, they won’t mind the “miniscule reduction”.


slojo,


I think you underestimate the caliber of person working in our fire and police departments. Pass the measures or not these people will continue to provide the best service they are capable of. Plus by saving a few bucks we will end up with more staff and therefore more people to provide these services.


isoslo…..I do not underestimate the caliber of the people in the PD or FD. What I am saying is there will be positions cut and stations closed. The firefighters and cops will always provide the best service they can no matter what they make but with fewer people and less stations, it will increase response times etc.


slojo, you make absolutely no sense, if A & B pass the city will save money on future pension and other costs, thereby freeing up money to provide better police and fire protection. Your empty threat is just that, a threat with no factual reality behind it.


Less police and fire personnel if A&B pass? You have to be kidding, these guy’s are paid better than LA where life is really dangerous and there is a line standing all the way around the corner hoping for a PD/FD job in beautiful SLO. The reason SLO is such a great place to live is because it’s expensive and the majority of the population can afford to live here because they are upstanding, well educated citizens. In fact the majority of the SLO populace is far better educated than the majority of the PD/FD (high school graduates may apply). We are certainly smart enough to know that passing A&B is what needs to be done about these ungrateful little brats. Oh how I love the condescending , nonsensical opposition they raise.


NOT FAIR, NOT FAIR, Carter didn’t log out of his city e-mail account and log into his personal account prior to sending an e-mail questioning the number of FD personnel and “we think” he wanted to know for personal reasons rather than city business. So what?


“People will die, I tell you, they will die” if we lose our binding arbitration agreement that increased our pay by 30% the last time we negotiated.


Fire Station Closure = Less Firefighters on duty


What don’t you understand about that?


and just why would the passing of measure A&B cause a Fire Station Closure? If anything, I shoul think we would be able to afford more, not less.


That is where you are misinformed. How do you think the city is going to propose they “save money” when it comes time to negotiate contracts with the departments? Sure, they will cut pay, which is fine with the departments, they know times are tough and are willing to make concessions, but they will also close a station and reduce the number of paramedics on duty. And when that is proposed by the city, there is not a damn thing the unions can do about it because without binding arbitration, the city can do whatever they want. With binding arbitration, the unions protect those positions and level of service.


I hope they’re going to save money by paying six $60K firefighters, rather than four $100K firefighters.


racket…..really genius? What the city will do is pay less and employ less.


So now you are suggesting the union should be setting staffing levels?


Nope.


Poppycock. SLO is a beautiful place to live for some very tangible reasons: 1.) It’s location in one of the most beautiful places on Earth. 2.) Gorgeous weather. 3.) The topography ensures it will never have 2M residents. 4.) It’s a college town and it has other sources of very stable gov’t jobs. 5.) Its wonderful history. 6.) It’s the county seat.


The fact is, SLO was a FAR NICER place to live when it was a cheap outpost — back when people wanted to live in LA or the Bay Area.


If you equate either wealth or education to being “upstanding” then you’re an imbecile who probably wasn’t born in SLOC.


are upstanding, well educated citizens. In fact the majority of the SLO populace is far better educated than the majority of the PD/FD (high school graduates may apply). You sound insulting to me. How many well educated, rich, upstanding people will put their lives on the line like our beloved high school graduates? Let’s take a count of how many actual heroes come from your so-called ranks? In my opinion when you brag about your riches you become so egotistic you become very unimportant to the rest of us. Hope you are not like how your words sound. In fact I have been very impressed by your wring in the past.


The higher people get in their minds the further they have to fall. Includes me also. Not that you have the misfortune of being like me though.


Back in the day I moved up here from LA 29 years ago we could have bought a house in SLO like my wife wanted but I found that having no neighbors close was better for us. Acreage to me meant peace and it has turned out that way for us. I am very happy we decided to not move to SLO. Too many problems. Too many people that seem at times to be arrogant. Maybe I am the one that is arrogant. Must be because of all the college I went too. (At UCLA part of the time). At least my last year. Sorry I always likes SC better but I couldn’t afford it at the time.


Sounds silly but my wife and I are rich in love. Rich in spirit and rich in family, and in the long run that is what is truly important. Especially the rich in love.


“Because I believe most people, when given the facts, agree that the city needs to negotiate in good faith and having binding arbitration ensures that….on both sides.”-SloJo


Binding arbitration is the opposite of “good faith negotiations”. It’s an easy way out having to compromise.


Sit down and negotiate until both sides are equally happy/unhappy. Leave the third party out of it. Honestly, it’s like watching kids fight over the last slice of birthday cake.


Maybe Police and Fire should spend more time worrying about the illegal tactics that they are using…just because they are the enforcement of the law doesnt mean they can choose to ignore it.


And what exactly would be the supposedly illegal tactics that police and fire have been using? Do you offer any evidence, or are you just trying the sadly tried but true Republican tactic of accusing your opponent of the very thing you have been doing? If you have any proof of illegal activities by our public safety servants, you should present it to the D.A. and the City Manager, otherwise quit trying to blow smoke.


The answer is found in the California Government code section 3206 which reads “No officer or employee of a local agency shall participate in political activities of any kind while in uniform.”

Do a google search and you will find many violations of this section investigated by the Fair Political Practices Commission. I actually support arbitration but do not support the manner in which this ballot campaign is being fought.


slotired…..they ARE NOT IN UNIFORM. Are you kidding me??? Just because you see someone in yellow pants with suspenders does not make it part of their uniform. Andrew Carter himself will tell you they have not been in uniform while participating in the campaign.


Wrong. I personally saw a firefighter with turnout pants, a dark blue uniform shirt with a badge holding a banner on Santa Rosa across from the courthouse on Tuesday at lunchtime. Also, the TV ads have both police and fire in uniform. Sorry you don’t like the facts.


Did you happen to notice what the badge said? Do you know that you could walk into a uniform shop and buy a blue uniform shirt? Did you know you can get turnouts places too? You need to look a little closer my friend…….you’re wrong.


You appear to be so blinded by your cause that your can’t see the forest for the trees. I hope this isn’t the attitude of the professional firefighters who are seeking our support.


You seem to be blinded by the bs coming from Carter and the Chamber. The firefighters are not wearing city issued uniforms therefore not violating anything.


So the union is hiring non-firefighting ACTORS to hold their signs? What are you saying slojo?


I’m simply saying the firefighters are not wearing city issued uniforms.


How long will it take the Tribune to run this story? Anyone wanna get a bet going? I say Friday at the earliest…..