Fight against Dream Act fails

January 9, 2012

The attempt to block a controversial California law that makes funds available for undocumented immigrant college students has failed to collect enough signatures to make it on the ballot.

Opponents of the Dream Act fell 57,000 signatures short of the 500,000 registered voter signatures required to try to overturn the law.

The Dream Act allows illegal immigrants who have graduated from California high schools and who are eligible for in-state tuition rates to apply for state-funded and private college scholarships and loans.

“This is disappointing news, but it is no less of a warning to Governor (Jerry) Brown and every Democrat legislator who voted to create a new entitlement program for illegals while the state still has a budget deficit over $9 billion, and cannot even meet its obligation to legal California students,” Donnelly, R-Twin Peaks, said in a statement.


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willie

With NO disrespect to Christianity or the Holy Bible


Ted

You strike me as someone who is handicap or disabled with a baggage of chips to put on your shoulder spending most of of your time reading the bible to cope with your own demons.


willie

This in not intended to have any negative reflection on Christianity or the Holy Bible.


I have scan the comments below.


Ted, you are “F” crazy and Arrogant!


Typoqueen

Crazy like a fox.


I don’t believe in any gods, I’m a ‘heathen’ but I kinda like Ted. After reading many of the posts by these other ‘Christians’ I must say that I don’t feel immoral by not being a Christian. If racism, absolute hatred towards others such as our gov. and our prez, if cheering on the death penalty, not caring about other humans health care or education etc. are their ideas of Christian morals then I’ll pass. I don’t like the preachy stuff but at least Ted does show love for mankind, that’s more than I can say for many of the posters here.


willie

Typo

Your entitled to your opinion and I respect you for that.

I may sound a little coarse, it is based on my scan of how Ted was overly forceful and condesending.

And I will be the next one he will waste his time doing it to.


danika

Hate is a wasted emotion. It never touches the person it’s directed towards. It only ever touches the person giving it. I hate no one.


I dislike many.


Typoqueen

I agree. I have to say though that there are a few people that I hate. I hate the person that murdered someone close to me, child molesters and rapists. But I agree with you, hate is a very destructive emotion. The most amazing thing to me is when you watch these shows or read about someone that visits the person in prison who murdered their child and then they forgive them, they are a better than me. I don’t feel that I could ever do that. I’m not saying that I have a healthy attitude in that regard. I would like to be bigger than that but that is one of my failings. Other than those people there are very few people that I hate.


Ted Slanders

willie,


Oh my, another person who uses circular reasoning because they don’t have the ability to say anything relative to the topic at hand. This forum is inundated with your type willie, sorry.


The ignorant of scripture would think that I am arrogant, only because of the fact that I own the pseudo-christians within this forum, as shown ad infinitum by actually me presenting biblical and historical FACTS, verse their comical and embarrassing assertions! lol


It’s okay willie, by your sophomoric comments, we can see that you have a long way to go in even getting close to being in a meaningful discussion with me. In the meantime, look forward to that eventful day!


Good day.


stopagenda21

Too bad, Should have enlisted the help of illegal voters and dead people like Loretta Sanchez did when she stole B1 Bob Dornan’s seat down south.


Slowerfaster

WOOHOO !!!


ANOTHER Fascist heard from !


stopagenda21

WooHoo let the name calling begin !


Slowerfaster

Names do not have to be bandied about when the MARK of the BIGOT is transparent !


You indict yourself, imbecile !


Ted Slanders

Seriously, it’s really embarrassing to watch the pseudo-christian Republican HYPOCRITES try in vain to disparage the Dream Act with all of their assertions and hypothetical Faux News talking points!


Therefore, why don’t you educate yourselves for a change, yes? It will save all of you from wiping lthe egg from your faces, of which, isn’t a pretty sight, especially YOU Cindy!


http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/12/01/get-facts-dream-act


Citizen

Ted, We’re talking about the California Dream Act, not the US Dream Act. Get the egg off your face.


Ted Slanders

Citizen,


The link that I gave was the gist of this act by Congress, and the minor differences in the California DREAM was infinitesimal.


Our California Dream Act law provides assistance to the children of these immigrants who brought them here as infants or under the age of 18. These kids had NO CHOICE in the decision-making process of their parents’ immigration, illegal or not.


As long as these young people have graduated from high school, have no criminal record and begin the process of U.S. citizenship, they can apply for loans, grants and scholarships for a college education, but only in five years, as the Congressional law states.


This is only fair, especially in light of the fact that our U.S. government allows the children of these immigrants to enlist in our armed forces to face death overseas in Bushes fraudulent wars! If they qualify for that, they certainly qualify for a college education here! DO YOU COMPREHEND THIS LOGICAL DEDUCTION?


President Barack Obama and our Democratic Party tried to push the Dream Act through Congress, but the Republicans filibustered the bill to keep it from a vote. A the same time, they blocked the Bush tax cuts for the rich, which only added 4 percent to their taxes! Luckily, we have the law here in California where our Democratic Legislature and governor passed it.


Whoops! Oh my, I am so sorry that this turned into a somewhat “manifesto”. Hopefully you’ll be able to digest all of these paragraphs in a timely fashion. If not, take two or three days to do so.


Thanks!


Cindy

“As long as these young people have graduated from high school, have no criminal record and begin the process of U.S. citizenship, they can apply for loans, grants and scholarships for a college education, but only in five years, as the Congressional law states. This is only fair, especially in light of the fact that our U.S. government allows the children of these immigrants to enlist in our armed forces to face death overseas in Bushes fraudulent wars!”


Take your meds Ted,

Currently undocumented immigrants cannot legally enlist in the armed forces or gain Citizenship by offering to do so. However, it seems to be a concession (allowing illegals to join the armed forces) that was written into the Dream Act so that ignorant liberals can write posts like yours.


With the war ending and our troops coming home, no doubt illegals will join the National Guard, get paid for it, participate in the costly training exercises and when/if there is a war, they will go back to Mexico.


Ted Slanders

Cindy,


PARAPHRASING YOUR STATEMENT; “No doubt that that the illegals will run home to Mexico subsequent to becoming citiizens by joining the armed forces?”


CINDY, ARE YOU KIDDING US? Why did they come here in the first place? Then you think that after the immigrants having the skills from the armed forces, they’re going home to Mexico to be offered a mere wage instead of remaining in the USA , either remaining in the armed forces, or seeking another job after becoming a citizen because of their enlistment? ROFLOL!!!


If it wasn’t for your comical and ever so wanting assertions, you wouldn’t be able to post here at CCN! Have you ever thought of performing at the Comedy Store?


At your leisure, peruse the following relative to NON-CITIZENS / UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS joining the armed forces. You’re welcome dear for actual facts instead of your comical “assertions!”.


The Center for Naval Analyses issued a report finding that immigrants in the military have high levels of performance and lower rates of attrition.  The report noted that non-citizens add valuable diversity to the armed forces and perform extremely well, often having significantly lower attrition rates than other recruits.  The report also pointed out that “much of the growth in the recruitment eligible population will come from immigration.”[CNA, “Non-Citizens in Today’s Military.  Final Report.” April 2005. http://www.cna.org/documents/D0011092.A2.pdf%5D


Conservative military scholar Max Boot supports the DREAM Act:  “It’s a substantial pool of people and I think it’s crazy we are not tapping into it.”  The DREAM Act “would not only offer a welcome path toward citizenship for many promising young people but also might ease some of the recruitment problems that Army has been facing of late.” [Max Boot, “Dream a Little Dream,” Commentary Magazine, September 20, 2007]


Margaret Stock, a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve (retired); a former professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point; and an adjunct professor at the University of Alaska, Anchorage, said: “Potential DREAM Act beneficiaries are also likely to be a military recruiter’s dream candidates for enlistment …  In a time when qualified recruits—particularly ones with foreign language skills and foreign cultural awareness – are in short supply, enforcing deportation laws against these young people makes no sense. Americans who care about our national security should encourage Congress to pass the DREAM Act.” [Margaret D. Stock, “The DREAM Act: Tapping an Overlooked Pool of Home Grown Talent.” The Federalist Society, Washington, DC. Engage: The Journal of the Federalist Societies Practice Group, Volume 6, Issue 2, October 2005]


What could change: The federal Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act, proposed legislation that Senate Democrats have promised to reintroduce, would allow young UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTSi to enlist in exchange for conditional legal status. The bill, a version of which cleared the House last December but was struck down in the Senate, would also allow young people who arrived in this country before age 16 to obtain conditional legal status if they go to college.


If the bill were to become law, Dream Act beneficiaries who choose the military route would have to serve at least two years and be honorably discharged in order to be eligible for permanent legal resident status.


Another federal bill addressing UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS and the military was introduced by Sen. Robert Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, and is called the Military Families Act. The proposed legislation would allow legal status for the immigrant parents, spouses and children of U.S. military on active duty. The idea would be to prevent the deportation of undocumented or otherwise deportable family members of military service members.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/menendez-military-family-bill-deported_n_867683.html


Typoqueen

Great post, wish I would have said that :)


Ted Slanders

Typo,


Copy and paste it, and post it again under your name! Then you said it too, praise!


Slowerfaster

We are not at certain that is EGG, Ted !


Just sayin’ !


Ted Slanders

Slowerfaster,


Damn it, I hate it when I eat powdered sugar donuts because it looks as though I partook in some of those white powdered and ungodly drugs! Mums the word next time, okay? Thanks.


Ted Slanders

Look at all these alleged Republican Conservatives in this thread, that for the most part, call themselves Christians, and at the same time, go directly against the Christian God’s word pertaining to the people that the Dream Act would help! SICKENING!


YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, AND THE SOONER YOU REALIZE THIS FACT, THE BETTER OFF YOU’LL BE IN PREPARATION FOR THE SULFUR LAKES OF HELL UPON YOUR DEMISE!!!


Pertaining to the Dream Act, where in the hell do you pseudo-christian bigots get the authority to usurp God’s COMMAND in helping these people?! If you’re a Christian, do you know more than our Christian God? NO YOU DON’T!!!


GOD STATED: “For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’ (Deuteronomy 15:11) KEY PHRASE; “I COMMAND YOU” GET IT?


Jesus said; “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.” (1 John 3:17-18)


Furthermore, you know what makes me want to puke? It is the people like CINDY, WISEGUY, DANIKA, ET AL, that RUN AWAY from discussions where they proffered certain concepts about Jesus, and when they were shown that they were so blatantly wrong, they quietly leave the discussion as if everyone doesn’t notice their continued silence upon the topic! Once again, how embarrassing it must be for the aforementioned individuals as shown in the link below!


http://calcoastnews.com/2012/01/slo-homeowner-captures-burglar/


Pseudo-christians are a dime-a-dozen in this forum and it continues to make Jesus and I sick of their hypocrisy! WWJD?!


Robert1

Ted, you need more sleep, less of the bottle and increase your meds.


Ted Slanders

Robert1,


“Ted, you need more sleep, less of the bottle and increase your meds.”


This statement of yours is code for; “I can’t refute what ol’ Ted said, without remaining intelligent looking in the aftermath!” lol


Robert1

No Ted, but people that write manifestos as a reply have been proven to have mental issues. Does unabomber sound familiar.

I worked with a guy that responded in 3 page responses to management, at the time of Ted Kaczynski. You respond the same way, you are on a anti-christian attack constantly and assume everybody on here is a christian, little too paranoid.


Ted Slanders

Robert1,


Please, let me give you an hypothetical like yours. Individuals like YOU that write terse statements, and introduce red herrings into the mix INSTEAD of material that is actually within context of the topic, are inept to the said topic and are hiding! Get it?


Aren’t assertions fun? :) Just ask Cindy or MaryMalone who are the all time leaders in this respect.


Oh, and of course you have independant documention to your claim of manifestos being related to mental issues, yes? Or could it be, that you’re jealous that you cannot write more than two sentences to try to get your points across to a difficult topic? lol


You guys are funny, that is for sure! :)


Slowerfaster

Curious…Martin Luther posted a manifesto that led to the Reformation.

Our very own “Declaration of independence” against tyranny by royalist dictators is indeed a ‘manifesto’.

Our U.S. Constitution is a workable document that is at heart a ‘manifesto’ for the people versus the powerful ( would that it be adequately and unversally enforced ! ).


I am willing to wager that you think Martin Luther, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison had “mental issues” as well.


Ted Slanders

Slowerfaster,


Give Robert1 a needed break, don’t embarrass him and others like him any further than they’ve embarrassed themselves! :)


Can you believe this faction using this comical ruse of manifestos in the vein that they are to try and prove their point, WITHOUT USING ACTUAL EMPERICAL EVIDENCE INSTEAD? LOL


We can only wait for their next ruse to once again laugh at their deceiving ways! They do provide comical entertainment, but at their own expense. :(


Slowerfaster

“Conformity and mediocrity are the shrouding blankets of a small mind”


” He who thinks he owns nothing is poor. He who knows he owns nothing is rich. “


mrcyberdoc

As Christians one is to use their money responsibily as well. Spending money that we don’t have and going further into debt is NOT responsible.


Ted Slanders

mrcyberdoc,


Where can I find your concept biblically? Jesus only had the clothes upon His back, remember? Then by Jesus’ standards, and if you’re a Christian *cough*, then YOU should contribute to help these people that the DREAM would help!


Do you follow Jesus when He specifically stated, to wit: “Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'” (Matthew 19:21) Well, do you know more than Jesus in this respect?!


You pseudo-christians are comical and hypocritical to the point of ad nauseam! LOL


Nancydancy4

Oh my heck- so tell me how enforcing morality or stealing property and giving to others is Christian? Christianity is all about voluntarism not coercion. Immigration is not a racial issue, it’s purely economic- Ron Paul is the only one that understands that. The Government has made this a racial issue. They created the welfare state whereby they legally plunder some and give to others. If the Gov. didn’t steal my money and give it to Mexicans I’d love to have Mexicans around- but because the Gov. is further encouraging plunder- we resist- it’s what freedom demands. Orrin Hatch sponsored the dream act, he also voted for TARP. This is not the role of Government. Without Government there would be no National identities, boundaries, or racial hatred. We would love and benefit from having everyone around- the economic law of Comparative advantage teaches that the billionaire benefits from having the bum on the street who’s willing to clean his car for two bucks :) Government is the problem


Slowerfaster

Nancy ,,,Who stole CALIFORNIA from the Mexicans, in your vernacular ?

The very name is of latin origin, as are many place names here.

About the only near place you should be comfortable living in would be Grover Beach.

Perhaps there is another Anglo/Muppet/meth enclave nearby ?


AND, I’m no billionaire, but I will gladly pay you $2.00 an hour for various household chores. I might even farm your labor out to some of my neighbors, and only charge a small profit above for my acccounting and contracting privileges.

I am sure that you won’t mind, as it adheres to your free-market individualism.


Cindy

“Who stole CALIFORNIA from the Mexicans”. DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH..


Mexico “stole” California from Spain in 1821 and we stole California from the Mexico in 1848 and they signed a treaty with us. They owned CA all of 27 years!


BTW – After Mexico stole CA from Spain, the Mexican Congress passed the ‘General Law of Expulsion’ in 1827. This law declared all persons born in Spain to be “illegal immigrants” and ordered them to leave the new country of Mexico.


Ted Slanders
Cindy

SO WHAT ? Very few lands on this planet are inhabiyed or governed by it’s indigenous homo-sapiens. Wars for land have been fought since the beginning of time. We took a baron desert and turned it into a destination for American’s who desired to live in the land of sunshine, beaches and economic prosperity. We have owned and worked this land for 150 years. This land isn’t better than the land in Mexico, so what have the Mexicans done in the last 150 years except to insist that they want what we built rather than build their own.


Slowerfaster

Yeah…SO WHAT ?


I am sure that you won’t object when some friends show up with weapons of individual destruction : Shotguns, M-1 and AK47 assault rifles. .357 Magnums, .38 Specials, 9MM’s, .45 revolvers, and even a few grenades;

When we arrive at YOUR doorstep and tell you to hit the road…if we feel generous at the time.


If my friends kill you and take your land,


SO WHAT ?


Typoqueen

Nancy:

“Ron Paul is the only one that understands that.”


That’s because he’s a racist.


[Don’t go postal on me Cindy]


Slowerfaster

Ted, the attitudes from those you describe as being “pseudo-Christians” are merely their weak cover for what is code racism.

Whenever they say “Illegals”, or “aliens”, or “un-American”…what they are REALLY saying is,

“We don’t like those brown-skinned or ( shudder ) BLACK people. They scare me. “


Citizen

Ted, I think you are the one who should be embarrassed by referring to the wrong Dream Act. We are talking about the California Dream Act.


Ted Slanders

Citizen,


I’ve already addressed this above to your first post regarding this topic.


Cindy

“what makes me want to puke? It is the people like CINDY, WISEGUY, DANIKA, ET AL, that RUN AWAY from discussions…………”


Ted, You like to stir up poop and then argue until you’re blue in the face. I am generally content with sharing what I have to say and I really don’t concern myself a whole lot about what somebody thinks of my opinions, because it’s exactly that, an opinion. The last thing I’m going to fight about is religion especially as it pertains to the contradictions that can be sited in the Bible or the various translations that often obfuscate the original text.


Cindy

P.S. I meant to add…..


Regarding : “various translations that often obfuscate the original text.”, as we saw occur with the original and correct translation of “wood in the forest” to the erroneous and assuming translation to the word “tree”. ;)


Ted Slanders

Cindy,


How much do you want to step in this proverbial poo? Deduce it! They decorated a TREE as shown to you in many different bibles with the same passage! HELLO???


Please dear, don’t respond to anything religious anymore, okay? My stomach hurts from the continuous laughter that you provide when you do! :)


Ted Slanders

Cindy,


No dear, IT’S NOT WHAT SOMEBODY THINKS ABOUT YOUR WEAK OPINIONS, IT’S WHAT GOD AND THE BIBLE THINKS ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY PRODUCE BIBLICAL FACTS VERSE YOUR CHILD LIKE AND WANTING ASSERTIONS!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT?


Once again you fail miserably! It seems as though I was arguing until I was blue in the face in the burglar thread is because I took on MANY of you that were ignorant of the TRUE Scriptures! This is something that you can only dream about, since you have a hard enough time in dealing with one person!


Not only couldn’t you defend your position in the home burglar thread about Jesus being not revengeful, other than running away, because what I brought forth totally derails your position to the point of being again, embarrassing to you!


Now, if that wasn’t embarrassing and ungodly enough, now you are calling the bible being full of LIES! By stating the bible has contradictions and translations that obfuscate the original intent! WHAT?!


This deduces to where there is contradictions, there’re falsehoods, where you have falsehoods, you have LIES, because both entities of a contradiction cannot be true at the same time, get it?! Do you realize in what you’re proposing IN FRONT OF EVERYONE PRESENT? HELLO?!


You continually step in the proverbial poo all the time regarding the Holy Bible! LOL Cindy, when are you going to learn that God’s TRUE words and I own you AT ALL TIMES relative to the Holy Scriptures. You would bode well by just remaining silent upon this topic from this time forth! Please, accept your limitations relating to the scriptures!


danika

I really don’t think YOU have been chosen to determine who is and is not CHRISTIAN.


Ted Slanders

danika,


Learn this very simple fact, okay? When YOU go directly against biblical scriptures, as you’ve done so many times, then it is NOT me that determines who is a Christian or not, IT IS GOD’S WORD IN THE BIBLE THAT PERFORMS THIS ACT IF YOU CONTRADICT IT AND DIRECTLY GO AGAINST IT! You did this blatant fact in the burlar thread, and when you saw my biblically backed refutations, you too ran like the others to save face to your ignorance!


2+2=4, oil and water don’t mix, and I’ve forgotten more about TRUE Christianity that you’ll ever learn for the rest of your life, period!


danika

I was unaware only Christians post to this site. I obviously didn’t get that memo.


Robert1

Coo Coo !


William

Why the hysterical caps and red-herring ‘pseudo-Christians’ argument. A country that cannot or will not

control its sovereign border is in big trouble. How do you think illegals entering Mexico’s southern border

are treated? How do you think an American living illegally in Mexico is treated if caught?


The DREAM Act is an extension of La Raza’s stated intention to take back Alta California by population incursion. It’s methods are right out of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Impose ever increasing burdens upon the government and tax-payors and brand anyone who objects a ‘racist’ or some other denigration.


Slowerfaster

OK…


I’m going to call you: A REPUBLICAN !


“In your guts, you know they’re NUTS !”


William

Yes, by all means, when logic fails you resort to name-calling…


Typoqueen

You’re right, I’m with you on this one. If someone called me a Republican I’d be p!ssed of too. Stop the insults and name calling Slowerfaster, that was a low blow.


Slowerfaster

Hey…I was only honoring Dick Nixon’s birthday !


danika

LOL! I seriously laughed when I read this. You go, TQ!


Ted Slanders

William,


Red-herring pseudo-christian argument? Eliminating any red-herrings, of which are non-exitant in the first place, is this Christian axiom bothering you? If you’re a Christian, you DO NOT have the ability to extrapolate certain passages of the Judeo-Christian bible, and not be held in obligation of the whole! Get it?


This proposition is not to control the borders, but is subsequent to the borders being crossed. Read what Jesus proposes in taking care of the poor in my post above. Certainly you too do not know more than Jesus! If any Christian tries to acquiesce out of taking care of these people, then they need to leave Christianity, plain and simple!


These are very simple deductions.


William

Jesus, in answering an entrapment question, said, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto the Father that which is the Father’s. Translated this is, “You obey the laws and pay your taxes. Your primary faith is to the Father.”


Your sanctimonious, “What would Jesus do?” arguments are false. Jesus intentionally says nothing about public policy.


Slowerfaster

Lawdy-Lawdy.


Why then do SO many of the DEMOCRAT-Haters / liberal bashers / anti-Constitutionalists use this Jesus speak to bludgeon others ?


Santorum ? ( Do not Google )


Gangrene …errr Gingrich ?


Romney ?


Paul ?


Bachmann ? Palin ? Cheney ? The Faux Noise hate patrol ?


While I am no way as profound as Brother Ted in these matters, it is my understanding that Jesus did, indeed, have MANY things to say about and against public policies which contravened Eloi’s word, and that is what got him into hot water withthe ‘authorities’.


Ted Slanders

William,


“Your sanctimonious, “What would Jesus do?” arguments are false. Jesus intentionally says nothing about public policy.”


You’re kidding, right? ROFLOL!!! See, this is the problem when they let pseudo-christians like yourself post here! LOL I am assuming that you are a Christian since you took the stance that you did, even though you’re wrong.


The TEN COMMANDMENTS, actually there are 613 of them, shaped our current “Public Policy!” Jesus upholds His Father’s words in this respect!


“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” (Matthew 5:17) Therefore, Jesus does say something about our public policy!!! HELLO?


Regarding illegal immigration;


“For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality . . . He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing. And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt.” (Deuteronomy 10:17-19)


It would bode you well to remain silent from this time forward. Thank you.


William

Sanctimonious and self-righteously deluded. For Leftists playing Santa Claus is easy. Cloaking this generosity-at-everyone-else’s-expense in put-downs and false Biblical ‘teachings’ is par for a fundamental dishonesty. Obey the law and thankfully you don’t have the control for which you betray a hankering.


Cindy

You’re so right about that William. I’m relieved to see that other citizens are paying attention to exactly what La Raza is and what they are up to. Our gummint has literally been heavily infiltrated by them. I encourage all concerned citizens to familiarize themselves with what the Nation of Aztlan is and what it stands for, because we’re all paying the La Raza supporters to teach it to Latino students in our schools and they are teaching it across this entire country.


(From the California textbook, The Mexican American Heritage, p107; used as the textbook in high school “Chicano studies” in Santa Barbara County, California, calling for the Hispanic “liberation of Aztlan”.)


You haven’t seen racism until you’ve read the La Raza materials.

“The Gringo’s must die”. “We will raise the GREAT NATION OF AZTLAN on it’s rightful soils”.

“For us, everything, for them, nada”. “That’s how it will be”.


Typoqueen

La Raza -Tea Party, same thing just a different color.


You are afflicted with what is known as right wing paranoia, it’s brought on by watching/reading to much con media, It’s called Fauxomainia. You are too far gone, we might have to ship you off to Texas.


William

“La Raza -Tea Party, same thing just a different color.”


A false equivalence. The Tea-Party is not advocating breaking Mexican immigration laws and flooding Mexico with Americans.


William

I worked three years in migrant health-care. So the ‘gabacho’ Dr. got an earful from the parasites who were simultaneously taking advantage of your tax-dollar paid health services.


The so-called Progressives around here are deluded. I guarantee they know not of what they speak…


Typoqueen

“parasites”, so that’s what you call the brown people? Shame on you, I hope you don’t have children.


William

Of course, straw arguments will suffice when you can’t refute the premise. I’ll spell it out for you. My patients were 90% adults, of these 30% were illegal. We didn’t particularly care but I found it interesting to hear the La Raza-types spouting there racist nonsense when your tax-dollars were being spent…


Typoqueen

There is nothing to refute. You called an entire race of people ‘parasites’, what’s there to refute? Geez heaven help us if you are an MD. I would hate to think that you are actually caring for those ‘parasites’ that you show so much hatred towards. You’re not the only one that’s been around Hispanics, you’re not the last word on this. Many of us have been around Hispanics. My experience for the most part is seeing a culture of hard working family loving people. You make it sound like Hispanics were ranting and yelling racist nonsense in your office, if this is true (which I doubt) it was simply because they could tell that you think of them as ‘parasites’.


William

You seem a little slow. The ‘parasites’ were the La Raza’s. You are correct, most of these people, legal or otherwise, are hardworking and industrious. Most have endured severe hardship to get to America, live frugally and send the money to their families in Mexico.


This does not excuse illegal immigration but that is, in fact, simply a symptom of a corrupt, dysfunctional and opportunistic Mexican government aided by corrupt and opportunistic American politicians and industries.


Typoqueen

“I worked three years in migrant health-care. So the ‘gabacho’ Dr. got an earful from the parasites who were simultaneously taking advantage of your tax-dollar paid health services.


The so-called Progressives around here are deluded. I guarantee they know not of what they speak…”


So the ‘earful that were taking advantage of MY tax dollar were just the La Raza ‘types’. Those as you said were the parasites. Well from your post which I copied that isn’t the way it reads, I see nothing in that post about ‘La Raza’ and that’s the post that I was responding to. But it’s late so I can understand your confusion.


danika

Actually, he didn’t call the entire brown race “parasites”. He said those who were seeing him were “parasites”. I really doubt ALL the “brown” people in the nation came to him.


I work with the Latino community, believe it or not. I have found that, just like the “white” community, there are good and bad people. You cannot condemn an entire race because of the actions of some. However, I do not believe they should receive any more consideration because of their “brown-ness” or because of their ILLEGAL status. Those Latinos who are here ILLEGALLY should not be rewarded in any way for their actions.


Typoqueen

He didn’t say some of them were parasites.


“I worked three years in migrant health-care. So the ‘gabacho’ Dr. got an earful from the parasites who were simultaneously taking advantage of your tax-dollar paid health services.”


Lets change this around. Picture an Hispanic person saying this:


I worked for three years with white people. So this ‘wetback’. got an earful from the parasites (whities) who were simultaneously taking advantage of our Mexican culture when they took my kids Mexican flag away and when they pay us min. wage.


To make sense I changed to wording a bit and perhaps I could have used a better example (early you know). But if a Hispanic had said something like this there would be hell to pay. I disagree, he sounded like he was referring to the entire race. He didn’t say ‘some’ or a ‘few’.


Robert1

I hope you stop having children.


Typoqueen

Me too!


bobfromsanluis

Perhaps the reason that enough signatures were not gathered is that this measure did not have any big corporate backing to it so no one “hired” enough paid signature gatherers to go out and get the number of required signatures. This isn’t a slam against the measure (although I don’t really agree with the goals of this attempt) but a recognizing that our ballot initiative process is so cumbersome that unless you are bankrolled with enough financial backing, you better be able to capture a real passion of a lot of voters.


Cindy

I never saw anyone collecting signatures up here in N County (or anywhere). No doubt they could have collected plenty of them from this area.


hotdog

no doubt…


Robert1

There was a Auto Parts store in Atascadero that had one.


Slowerfaster

What a shock !


RU4Real

That’s the reason it failed! No one was around to take signatures & THAT’S a BAD THING!


The Gimlet Eye

What is an “undocumented immigrant”?


Is that the same thing as an “uncitizened vagrant”?


Robert1

Its what the liberals like to use to brain wash America into thinking its Ok to break the law and get rewarded.


standup

One question only mnbm, explain how a legal citizen is not more entitled to these finds than an illegal one? Good move liberals. Stand behind this one why don’t you?


hotdog

I stand for the Dream Act. These students are going to become citizens and live here, If they are qualified for assistance then they should get it. Many are harder working and more qualified than the so called ‘legal’ residents (who are legal only by cosmic luck-as most of us are). While millions of deserving people worldwide go hungry and uneducated there are many here in our midst who are lazy, greedy and unwilling to do a thing to better themselves or the planet. Those are the ones I would deny aid to.


Typoqueen

Although I agree with you I’m surprised that you got 5 likes,,hope I don’t jinx you.


Cindy

The problem is that illegals will take seats from our own citizens who are MORE QUALIFIED. If they were to take a seat in our colleges based on grades, then it wouldn’t bother me because I can understand that since they graduated from high school in this country with higher achievements than our own and if they receive a higher education here, then they will most likely stay and contribute. But these grants are specifically designated for illegals therefore the grants will not be based on the applicants with the highest grades and overall achievements but rather by “status” and that is WRONG. There will be qualified citizens who will be rejected because their grant/loan went to someone else based on “status” rather than hard work.


hotdog

Thing is, Cindy, like with our home grown black (and other minority or oppressed) population directed grants and ‘affirmative action’ is designed to help even the playing field. Despite all our breast beating there are still many inequities in our country and it takes many efforts to give all our people a fair chance at success. These people live here, they are our people.

It is a well known fact that poor home life, poor nutrition and poor opportunity keeps various groups down. It is incumbent on us to help those who got dealt from the bottom of the deck (economically, politically and otherwise). Ethnic differences, gender differences, social differences and more can lock folks into a bad situation.

Sure, some more qualified folks may lose out, nothing is perfect. But there are oodles of grants, loans and such available to ‘regular’ citizens.

Cutting this grant program would probably result in MORE costs to all of us in the resultant unfortunate levels of literacy and opportunity.


Typoqueen

Good post dog, you are spot on. We only help ourselves by having an educated population. In areas where there is less education there is more crime, more illness and of course more poverty. These people make it sound as if the minute those people step over the border that they will qualify for this but that’s not the case. They must have lived here for 4 years to qualify. Your problem is that you make sense,,they can’t handle that.


I know of two boys that graduated from AG in the last few years, one is attending Princeton and the other UCLA. Their parents were undocumented. They started off disadvantaged so in turn they worked harder than others. I know that one of these kids parents spoke very broken English. I can’t imagine the determination this kid had to better himself. Some of these kids join the military. I remember last year when one was killed in Afghanistan yet the powers that be were trying to deport his parents. If they can die for this country then they can be educated in this country.


Citizen

Typo, if you agree that it is important to have an educated populace, then you must also agree that it hurts this society to allow millions of needy people with an average of a 5th grade education to come to this country illegally to live and work, right?


Typoqueen

I do agree that we need to close the borders. I feel it’s very dangerous to let anyone just walk over here and the drug cartels are a good example of that. What’s to stop terrorists from just walking over here with some type of power/chemical that could hurt a lot of people. So in that we agree. Where I probably disagree with you is that I feel that we need fair worker programs. I believe it was Alabama that started enforcing strict immigration laws. Now their farmers are hurting and some are closing down, they can’t find people to work in thier fields, it’s been an economic disaster. I also part ways with many in that I feel that once the illegal immigrants are here that we must as fellow humans help them as we should help each other. I would like to think that we are a moral country instead of this tone of ‘me me me’ that we constantly hear from the right. I also have self serving interest in that we help ourselves when we help our neighbors. If my neighbors kids get sick then mine might get sick. If my neighbors yard looks like crap then my home value will be reduced. If we have an educated populace then we will as a country be more productive. We need to have a strong country and to achieve that the people need to be healthy and educated.


Here I go again, to those that have seen me say this then please don’t read it again. Excuse redundancy. I love an excuse to say my idea as I feel its a really good one. We have many many bases overseas that don’t need to be there. We need to move some of those bases and put them in poor towns on our borders. We get an economic boost by having the bases in those areas plus we stop the influx of people crossing our borders. Two birds one stone. But let me stress, we need to treat those people that already live here like humans. They aren’t going back and they aren’t animals. They deserve respect and we need to treat them with respect.


Citizen

I agree with everything you say. My difference is that we can’t do anything until we close the borders. Once we stop the flow, then we can afford to be humane, and we can set up worker programs, etc. for the people who are here.


I have relatives on the border in Texas. They are completely consumed by the porous border with people running through their back yards at nights, with huge drug smuggling, people smuggling, and their town is now filled with new illegals seeking shelter and food. The drug cartels conduct raids in the US neighborhoods, and families in Mexico were driving their kids across the border everyday for school in the US. TB, pertussis, and HIV is rampant. The city and the county just do not have the resources to handle another country’s problems. Ranchers can’t leave their families out in the country by themselves even to go get groceries. Crime has totally increased with drug cartel activity moving deeper into the US.


Is this how we are going to have to live from now on? I hope not.


Ted Slanders

Typoqueen,


Uh, watch your “manifestos” when in discussion with Citizen. Long dissertations scare Citizen, and he says that anyone that promotes such “manifestos” are mentally ill!


You don’t want to be known as mentally ill by Citizen, do you? You would probably lose sleep in knowing this fact, NOT! LOL


Ted Slanders

Citizen,


Then are you volunterring to work in the Imperial Valley in 125 degree heat in the summer time picking vegetables so there will be no rotting of said crops in the fields? I am facetioiusly assuming that your education is beyond the 5th grade.


Or, do you want your next salad to cost you $10.00 if you don’t help in the fields? Of course, you’ll be paid terrible wages, but you’ll survive somehow, it’s innate!


http://24ahead.com/s/crops-rotting-fields


danika

I would like to point out the recent INCREASE in crimes in SLO city. I base this on the last 6 months story headlines on CCN site. By all means look to the Trib or any other local paper in the county.


I would think SLO city would be an “educated area”.


Ted Slanders

danika,


Quit hiding behind smoke and mirrors, what are you TRYING to say?


Be specific!


danika

Ted, Ted, Ted…I smile in your general direction.


Ted Slanders

danika,


So you don’t have the ability to tell us? How sad.


Cindy

You’re correct that home life and upbringing does effect the opportunities afforded children raised in poverty. In many cases, perpetual poverty is hereditary and is generally accompanied by many contributing factors including, overall environmental instability, anxiety, unmet health needs, poor parental oversight, lack of learned social skills and just plain unfulfilled overall positive kindred nurturing.


Therefor poverty “often” can be directly linked to lack of achievement, thus skewing what should be a fair playing field. We know this because we saw a considerable increase in measurable intellect and competitive test scores when we leveled the playing field for a few decades for our poverty stricken black “citizens”.


The difference is that they were citizens, this was their country and we had to identify and correct the problem, it was the right thing to do not just for them but for the good of our nation. I’m not wiling to do this for multitudes of invaders who sneak into this country and think we owe then something, we don’t. They need to go home and fix their own county. We can’t afford everybody who wants to come here for something free, we have enough of our own poverty stricken who require our assistance at a considerable expense to our empty wallets.


Citizen

Give them a way to become citizens first, then they will be eligible for in state tuition automatically.


Robert1

They have several ways, the front door being one of them, serving in the USA military is another..


Typoqueen

Of course no surprise here. Of course you wouldn’t want a brown person to get a good education. Are these brown people all terrorists too or just the brown Muslim people? Just asking.


Cindy

I am so sick of you pulling the race card out every time there is a topic about illegals. Oh yeah, it must just be because they’re brown rather than the fact that they are sucking up the scant “TAX $$” that we “citizens” have contributed from our hard earned paychecks towards the education of our children. We can’t afford to educate our own but we are educating other peoples children who illegally cross our border. NO, it couldn’t be that, it must be that they are brown. UN-FREAKING BELIEVABLE ! As if we wouldn’t mind giving Canadians a free education, yeah right.


That is the problem with “BIG BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS”, they create controversy by name calling, finger pointing, re-framing the real issue and then obfuscating the facts by yelling R-A-C-I-S-U-M. It makes me want to puke.


Citizen

Typo, the Dream Act will allow all noncitizens or illegals who have been here 4 years and have graduated from California high schools to attend college with instate tuition. This includes illegals from Canada and European countries, as well as Asian nations, the Phillipines, Tonga, etc.


If you can sneak into California in time to go to high school, then you are in, whether you are black, asian, or white. We may find some very rich white students taking advantage of this freebie. That’s why it would be better to fast track the citizenship, so that everyone will be on an equal basis when applying for grants and scholarships. If you’re not a citizen, you are not supposed to be allowed to work here. Will people come here for a better education and then go home to their own countries. You bet.


Cindy

Actually there is no reason to fast track the citizenship. The Dream Act is not perpetual and only applies to people who are already here at the time that it is enacted.


Typoqueen

In other countries ie Germany and France you don’t have to be citizen, you may simply move there and go to college and it’s FREE. I understand that we can’t have free higher ed here but these people have lived here for at least 4 years, they aren’t going away. The answer isn’t to punish those that are here but to close the borders, have worker programs, and work with those that are here as to make our country stronger by providing our populace with education and health care (health care a whole diff. can of worms, everyone please don’t go on about that, I don’t have time to defend it). I don’t agree with your claim that people will come from other countries just for higher ed. In other countries they don’t have to prove 4 years of residence. Plus if that were the case then those other countries that provide free ed wouldn’t have lasted this long. Personally I don’t feel that all the the people from accross the border are going to run over here for this. Only those people that would be here anyway and that are hard workers would use the Dream Act, it’s not like this benefit would be going to drug dealers or criminals.


BTW, I appreciate the civil discussion.


Ted Slanders

standup,


The Dream Act is different from Pell Grants; before you remove one foot to insert the other, AGAIN, read about the Dream Act’s protocols!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/12/01/get-facts-dream-act


Furthermore, unless you’re a Native-American, remain silent upon the concept of legal or illegal!


Citizen

“Furthermore, unless you’re a Native-American, remain silent upon the concept of legal or illegal!”


Instead use the term ” citizen of Mexico” or Mexican National or citizen of El Salvador, etc.


Robert1

Call it what it is “Ream Act”


Slowerfaster

standup: PROVE that you are a “legal citizen”. NOW !

I demand THREE sworn to affidavits from independent eyewitnessses to the time and place of your birth, and as to whether it was legitimate.

Obviously, your own ‘opinion’ does not count. Your ‘supposed’ mother does not count, either…as there is a built in bias.


Ted Slanders

Slowerfaster,


Come on, your treatise provides logical deductions, and you know damn well that this certain faction can’t handle logic 101. Quit scaring them, we need them here for comic relief! lol