FBI spied on Muslim meetings

April 2, 2012

FBI agents infiltrated “community outreach’ programs conducted by Muslims in the San Francisco Bay area for four years starting in 2004, according to recently-released documents made public by the American Civil Liberties Union. [San Francisco Chronicle]

Agents took names and made notes on viewpoints and religious activities of Muslims and then entered the data into intelligence files accessible by other federal agencies.

A member of the U.S. Civil Right commission, Michael Yaki, a former San Francisco supervisor, said the activities “bring back the specter of McCarthyism.” He’s asking the Justice Department to investigate.

The FBI, in a statement, said it collected the information as part of “authorized law enforcement activity” but has since changed its practices to “emphasize a greater distinction between outreach and operational activities.” Officials said the practice ended four years ago, but Yaki said he thinks it continued thereafter.

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Cindy said it best…. and when the Swedish Lutheran Fundamentalists start rallying and blowing up buildings to get their former territory back (Norway, Denmark and whatever)… we should watch them too.


When you have Islamic fundamentalists, that actually follow the doctrine set forth by Allah in the qu’ran, because who are they to usurp the actually word of Allah in the first place, you’re going to have a religion of violence because that commanded by Allah, and is part and parcel to this primitive belief system.

Within the same vein, if Christians actually followed the Judeo-Christian bible to the letter, we would be talking about them in the same manner, because the Old Testament and New Testament God are the same. Do I have to remind you of the blood thirsty God of the OT and of it’s horrific narratives?

Lest we forget the Jews and their biblical writings, that also promote violence to their fellow human beings that don’t follow their concept of God. Within the era of these Gods appearing, ALL of their peoples supplicated to warring sky gods and that were provincial to their country of origin.

The irony is that you mentioned the Swedish Lutheran Fundamentalists, albeit in a facetious manner, in not blowing up things around their territory. But, if they too actually followed their Lutheran-Christian bible to the letter, because once again, who are they to usurp their version of God’s word, they too would be taking a killing action towards their fellow earthly passengers in many ways.

The key word is “fundamentalism”. The followers of their respective Gods that don’t, or can’t accept, the actual violent writings of these said Gods, are called pseudo-christians, Muslims, and Jews. Or, prefaced with the term “”Burger King Christians”, as an example, because they want their holy writings THEIR way!

All of the major big three religious belief systems fall under the same category, and that is they ALL have violent and godly commanded actions of killing against their adversaries that don’t follow their specific God concept. Where there is religion, there will always be war and strife.

Sweden never had any of Denmark (they tried and got their asses kicked), and only a chunk of unpopulated northern Norway for only 2 years. The “whatever” was mostly Finland (now call up and apologize to, or taunt, Matt Kokkenen), all the Baltic States, a chunk of Russia and Poland, and a couple of its y-bitty parts of Germany (then part of the Holy Roman Empire).

Islam is not the enemy, the enemy is in Washington. Islam just HAPPENS to be the most pissed off group because of where most of our military action has been over the last 30 years. I would much rather have these FBI agents investigating our politicians so people can finally see how much NONSENSE they have been subjected to over the years and how much corruption exists within our own country. But when you continuously support covert and now overt military actions in which people die, you’re going to have backlash.

“Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich”


You are correct. Muslims are taught within their Qu’ran that anyone that invades their country are to be killed or removed. They are following the commands of Allah. Imagine if we left the Middle East, albeit that it would provide more peace then with us occupying THEIR Holy lands!

Qu’ran 47:4: “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

That’s interesting, because they seem to do a hell of a lot LESS killing than we do at the end of the day. But never mind the facts, I know how inconvenient they can be.


I am not disputing the fact that we kill more than they do from the onset. I am only stating the reason that they kill, and that is the fundelmentally following their doctrine that presides within their Holy writings of the Qu’ran.

That is not true.. they have specific political objectives, as do we. Also note that we distribute bibles to our troops and a certain percentage of them believe that they are carrying out God’s will. You will also find that a huge base of support for these wars has come from our religious right, and they also consider our task holy. As I said, if you just want to pick from passages, we can do the same with the Bible ESPECIALLY in the old testament.


Political objectives my @ss. You’re misguided in the fact that TRUE fundy Muslims in, let’s say, Afghanistan kill for their God of Allah as I’ve described above. There is no political venue for this faction, accept in following the Qu’ran and Allah’s commands within.

In Afghanistan, 99 percent are Muslims. Therefore, TRUE fundy Muslims within this group follow the Qu’ran to the letter regarding the killing of infidels, aka, Christians, Jews, and anyone else that doesn’t believe in their God concept. Comprehend the news at times for this blatant fact.

“As I said, if you just want to pick from passages, we can do the same with the Bible ESPECIALLY in the old testament.”

HELLO? You’re preaching to the choir, get it? The Judeo-Christian God makes Allah look like a Boy Scout relative to the killing of His creation!

And you don’t think that TRUE fundy Christians kill for their God? I guess you haven’t been party to the same conversations I have with good ol’ fundamentalist rednecks.

YES, they too kill for their Christian God, HELLO?!

If you’re a TRUE fundy Christian, it comes with the territory! But very few actually follow the bible and the commands that are made by the Christian god to the flock. They only want to read the “fluffly and nice parts” of the bible. This is why I call this faction “pseudo-christians”.

The irony is that if Christians did follow the bible to the letter, and why shouldn’t they, they would be in jail!

Spot on, mkaney. But you are offering what we call “revisionist history.” That won’t make you any friends in this or most forums. Over at InfoWars you won’t have any trouble. But on “Mainstreet,” forget it. Your thumbs down prove this.

However, at some point, one hopes that these folks come to their senses and realize how they have been brainwashed.

A possible antidote: spend some time at,




Great Job by the F.B. I here ……. and by the way McCarthy was right !!

“You Are the Un-Americans, and You Ought to be Ashamed of Yourselves”: Paul Robeson Appears Before HUAC.

Paul Robeson was Un-American, read his Bio and thank you for proving my point.


history will be kind and forgiving to Mr Paul Robeson

As anyone reading the links Google provided can see.

a well balanced bio of the man

used in schools lots of links devoid of empty assertions disparaging the character of this great American.

Pardon me, but if I am not mistaken the Patriot Act allows all of us to be spied on. The government can see what books you check out of the library, what sites you are googling, what places you are traveling to, phone calls you are making, what you are buying. We can’t take a bottle of water, nail file or nail clipper, a lighter or liquids greater than what fits in a bagger on a plane because of all of you and we have done nothing. The muslins who took planes and destroyed the United Nations Building, killing over 2,000 Americans, who blow themselves, their children and our armed forces up who are trying to free and protect them think we should sit back and do nothing to further protect ourselves. Kudos to the FBI, FINALLY, someone is looking for us Americans.

Finally, we have a public safety agency actually working hard to keep us safe. The mafia is not the only criminal enterprise we should be concerned with. Two thumbs up.

Way to go FBI! The FUNDY Muslims who blowup their own bodies to kill more innocent people, like on 9/11, do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases THEIR form of God? Or is it that we are misguided?

TRUE FUNDAMENTALIST Islam preaches violence and to KILL nonbelievers in the same context as our Christian bible purports! Relative to the Qur’an, it tells the Muslim: “not to make friendship with Jews and Christians” (5:51), “kill the disbelievers wherever we find them” (2:191), “murder them and treat them harshly” (9:123),

The Islamic faith, if followed to the letter of the Qu’ran, is abhorred towards women just like within our Christian bible. In the Qu’ran, Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to “take a green branch and beat your wife”, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Fat chance!

I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Instead of praising Jesus this time, PRAISE THE FBI for for their investigtion and upholding our Christian God concept over the Muslim’s God of Allah!!! Besides, our Christian God could kick Allah’s @ss!

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Once upon a time Afghanistan was poised to be a modern country, the only problem,the government in Kabul was friendly to the Soviets,policy makers in America could not let this stand. some familiar names are still involved.

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998 Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

So what appears to be the problem with the FBI doing their job? I hope they continue more aggessively.

Cindy nailed it.

So what? It’s called using our heads. Muslims did and have infiltrated many aspects of this Country’s weak

elements such as our military (which gang members are now infiltrating for malevolent reasons) and we can not tell the difference between those who mean us GREAT HARM and those who are peaceful, law abiding citizens and residents.They are taught to assimilate to FAKE US OUT. I say, tough $hit if we did a little spying to protect our national security. We do it with white Anglo militia’s all the time and I don’t want to hear that Muslim’s are somehow special because they’re different. If you are a possible threat, then you’re a possible threat, try a little peer pressure on each other and be a part of the solution, or shut up.