California courts move to ban Boy Scouts

April 22, 2014

boy scoutsThe California court system is considering a proposal to ban members of the Boy Scouts of America from serving as judges because the Boy Scouts discriminate against gays. [WNDWeekly]

The California Supreme Court Advisory Committee on The Code of Judicial Ethics proposed to classify the Boy Scouts as practicing “invidious discrimination” against gays, which would prohibit judges from being affiliated with the group. Even though the Boy Scouts began admitting gay members on Jan. 1, the organization continues to prohibit gays from holding leadership positions.

In opposition to the proposal, the Life Legal Defense Foundation said the committee is ignoring the fact “that the change also encompasses other youth organizations whose membership is limited on the basis of gender, e.g., the Girl Scouts, as well as the military, which continues to practice ‘discrimination’ on the basis of gender.” It is urging the courts to reject the proposal.

“Perhaps this is not an unintended consequence and the committee indeed means to prohibit membership by judges in organizations like the Girl Scouts and military reserve, though there is no indication of such result in the invitation,” said the letter, signed by LLDF legal director Catherine Short. “Or perhaps the committee believes that such discrimination by the Girl Scouts and the military is not ‘invidious,’ as opposed to the ‘invidious discrimination’ practice by the BSA in excluding those of openly homosexual orientation from adult leadership positions.”

In 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the right of the Boy Scouts to exclude homosexuals, because the behavior violated the core values of the private organization.


58 Comments

  1. Niles Q says:

    The Boy Scouts, like other organizations — LIttle League, the soccer league and youth football, are run by parents. Not some big faceless corporation. As such they have different feelings of how to protect their kids.

    So one has to understand that this isn’t a government organizaiton but a private club. One has to “Join” the Boy Scouts and be accepted by the group.

    I can’t imagine a group of parents at this point in history, would agree to take the chance, no matter how much of a long shot, and have a gay man lead their young boys.

    I know it isn’t fair and not very nice, but you have to understand this is children and their parents we’re talking about. Who am I to tell them they MUST accept someone they fear or think is a potential danger to their child? No matter how irrational it is.

    If they were forced to allow gay men to be scout leaders, their ranks would probably fall off a cliff and a new “Boy Scout” like organization would arise, with new bylaws and the whole fight starts over again.

    And these are volunteers, too, so there is no job discrimination going on.

    It’s a private entity, it’s their organization therefore they decide how it is run. The government ought to stay out of it entirely.

    Why don’t gays start a new Boy Scouts-like organization? No jokes about what it might be called, OK Hell, that sounds like a money-making opportunity to me.

    The flaw in the BSA’s thinking is obvious though. It’s the closet pedofile you need to worry about, not the openly gay man. Just ask the Catholic Church.

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    • Slowerfaster says:

      Seems to me I’ve heard that song before:

      SEPARATE BUT EQUAL

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    • Kevin 99 says:

      Yet another ignorant attempt to equate homosexuality with pedophilia. Let me help you understand: Barney Frank is gay; has no interest in kids. Former Republican Mark Foley has no interest in men, only boys. Current Republican hero Ted Nugent not interested in men, only underage girls. See? One gay man, two pedophiles. Can we agree that pedophiles ought not be Boy Scout leaders?

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  2. Slowerfaster says:

    Copywright Tom Lehrer:

    Be prepared ! That’s the Boy Scouts’ marching song.
    Be prepared ! As through life you march along.
    Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well.
    Don’t write naughty words on walls if you can’t spell.

    Be prepared ! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
    Don’t make book – if you cannot cover bets.
    Keep those reefers hidden where you’re sure they won’t be found,
    And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster’s around,
    For he only will insist that they be shared.
    Be prepared !

    Be prepared ! That’s the Boy Scouts’ solemn creed.
    Be prepared ! And be clean in word and deed.
    Don’t solicit for your sister – that’s not nice,
    Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

    Be prepared ! And be careful not to do
    Your good deeds when there’s no one watching you.
    If you’re looking for adventure of a new and different kind,
    And you come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined,
    Dont’ be nervous, don’t be bashful, don’t be scared.

    Be prepared !

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  3. Ted Slanders says:

    Simple terms, where did the Boy Scouts get their discriminatory feelings about gays in the first place? Correct, the bible’s Old Testament writings along with the New Testament thrown in to substantiate this fact! Therefore, the Boy Scouts give credence to the Old Testament by taking the position that they do on homosexuality. One cannot have their cake and eat it too. Get it?

    The Catch-22 in following our Hebrew God’s commands relative to homosexuals is herewith: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: THEY SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13)

    “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet . . . Who knowing the judgment of God, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Romans 1:26-27) “Who knowing the judgment of God” is regarding Leviticus 20:13.

    But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29)

    Please, for all pseudo-christians that are spoon-fed their doctrine only on Sunday mornings and don’t read the bible themselves, yes, we’re to follow the Old Testament commands and writings and they are binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”  (Luke 16:17) Last I checked, heaven and earth have not passed away yet, therefore, the above godly passages must be followed if you want to remain a Christian and not a hypocrite to God.

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    • Kevin 99 says:

      I trust that you have never eaten shrimp or lobster, nor have you ever worn a cotton shirt with wool slacks, for surely that is an abomination and someone might smite you righteously.

      Every day you write things that are in absolute defiance of the Sermon of the Mount, Ted. Every day.

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  4. indigo1955 says:

    Orchestrated DNA changes have created a large populace of gays. This has been done in tandem with natural laws, in order to save the natural resources of our planet and also create loving homes for the currently neglected children that are without loving homes. Heterosexuals are innately unable to rationally and logically view our quickly depleted earth resources and also the greatly increased afflictions and dangers to children-then refrain from reproduction. They have become similar to cattle-breeding without any thought to provisions or offspring health. The average intelligence quota is only 100-and at that level, humans are blind to the consequences of severe over population, so this is nature’s innate method of slowing that cycle down (if you see emotional reactivity to this post, you may indeed use that as an example of the “average” IQ status-it is one of the markers; those without higher intelligence are largely ego based and selfish beings who like to create hate patterns). At the same time, this soon-to-be-predominant DNA change has a built-in programming that rejects any sort of overt hostility and bias-for the DNA shift is inclusive of non-violence and non-discrimination patterns which will also reduce planetary war and hate crimes. With these patterns in place (less population, less consumption, less war and less hate) the planet will change in the next few decades dramatically. The lines of separation and hostility will cease. A unification of interest in peace, restoration of earth, cessation of depletion of natural resources and non-bias toward others will be established. Science will accelerate and cures for autism, ADHD, ADD and many other conditions that afflict children will be resolved prior to reproduction hastening again. Vaccines will be much safer, and then the human populace will again shift to a largely heterosexual base. By this time, pedophilia, psychopathy, bigotry, human slavery and similar patterns of ignorance and darkness will cease to exist-largely due to the shift in consciousness. The perpetual state of human consciousness will be too highly evolved for these negative patterns to exist. Earth is a living organism and is calling a halt to the massive depletion and destruction humans have inflicted on her. This DNA shift is a scientifically advanced method of ridding the earth of negative patterns that will result in the eventual cessation of life on earth-due to greed and hate patterns.

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    • Cindy says:

      Interesting but why not have a DNA shift where people are simply born sterile rather than bringing home lovers of the same sex? You do realize that this problem isn’t about a certain kind of person but it’s about how they conduct their lives that is the problem, don’t you? It’s not them, it’s what they promote. Ever been to a gay parade? Gay role models, no thanks.

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      • kettle says:

        Because it’s cheaper to educate people not to be bigots, then make a group someone don’t like to be sterile.

        You know who else wanted certain set’s of people to be sterilised?

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      • Kevin 99 says:

        Ever been to a St. Patrick’s Day Parade? I certainly hope you don’t judge all persons of Irish ancestry on the basis of a handful of staggering drunks. That would be “stereotyping,” Cindy, and I’m sure you would never, ever do that. Well, okay, maybe all the time.

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    • zaphod says:

      Vesuvians
      http://youtu.be/L7GJ018Avgw

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    • tomsquawk says:

      ha ha ha ha “Heterosexuals are innately unable to rationally and logically view our quickly depleted earth resources” Al Gore is ……………?

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  5. doggin says:

    We just how many former or active Boy Scouts are judges? Secondly if your not welcome somewhere , F them, start your organization and move on, you’ll be better for it. Why force your person onto someone of something your not welcome at. If you were white would you try to join the Black Panthers? If you rode a Vespa would you snivel cause the Hells Angles wouldn’t let you in? Get over it.

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  6. Pelican1 says:

    FORECLOSURE SALE

    STATE OF CALIFORNIA

    ALL REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED

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    • kettle says:

      The sky is falling?

      Your right, California is all wrong for you, relocate.

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      • Pelican1 says:

        I’m afraid your “Love It or Leave It” mentality died with the 60’s.
        The fact is, California, once considered the Golden State, ain’t so “golden” anymore.

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        • kettle says:

          I’m not afraid and it’s bad attitudes that bring us all down.

          Like shouting clueless nonsense.

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          • Pelican1 says:

            OK, in 500 words or less, please explain to everyone (without shouting clueless nonsense) why you believe California is so “golden”.
            Please be specific and don’t be afraid to cite examples.

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            • kettle says:

              “Golden” is your word.

              Weather is great, cops come when I call, crime is low…

              I could go on but I have a job, but don’t let that keep you from finding fault on the internet.

              “the sky is falling….”

              Do you even live here?

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    • isoslo says:

      LOL

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  7. Rambunctious says:

    It’s no wonder that so many politicians and over reaching judges think we Americans can’t get through life without their aid. Many of us can’t seem to navigate our way in life without big brother to make things fair. After reading this story I’m going to call the Boy Scouts of America and ask them what I can do for them. Grow up people. Not everyone is going to like you or the way you live your life, get over it and stop running to Uncle Samantha whenever your feelings get hurt.

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  8. Cindy says:

    Why can’t the gay’s just go start their own Boy Scouts and get out of everybody’s face? Why do they insist on pushing themselves into groups that don’t want them? Just quit trying to be a boy or a girl and just be what you are and that’s gay so quit trying to squeeze into a box where you don’t fit.

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    • cosmos7 says:

      Why can’t the blacks just go start their own Boy Scouts and get out of everybody’s face? Why do they insist on pushing themselves into groups that don’t want them? Just quit trying to be a white or a mulatto and just be what you are and that’s black so quit trying to squeeze into a box where you don’t fit.

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      • Jorge Estrada says:

        Why can’t atheists just go etc. etc. etc. There’s enough discourse for everyone, I see why silence is golden.

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      • OnTheOtherHand says:

        My thumbs up for you was under the assumption that you were being satirical to make a point. If not, consider it a thumbs down.

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        • cosmos7 says:

          I would have thought it’d be obvious… the point seems to be lost on a number of people given the quantity of down-votes.

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      • Citizen says:

        The Boy Scouts as an organization has always accepted and encouraged boys of all colors to join the Scouts. So, I resent your analogy, Cosmos7, even though I know you were just trying to make a point and meant no harm. Several gay web sites have been erroneously claiming that the BSA, Inc. banned Blacks. Not true.

        The bans on girls and gays were national policies originally instituted to keep any kind of sex out of the scouting program that started in the early 1900’s.

        I would suggest that the Scouts drop the ban on gay leaders, and focus on specifically excluding pedophiles or Minor attracted persons, as they now prefer to call themselves.

        Then, the Scouts need to start working on some kind of electronic device bracelet that each Scout wears, like the “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” medic alerts that sound an alarm and dials 911and has a GPS locator. The Am. Psych.Assoc. and some psychiatrists are pushing the normalization of pedophilia as a life style choice by changing the definitions of pedophilia in the DSM. http://news.yahoo.com/b4u-act-pedophilia-takes-step-toward-being-considered-212800919.html

        Yes, I think that most of us (non-pedophiles) can agree that pedophiles should not be Scout leaders, priests, teachers, etc.

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    • kettle says:

      Cindy, Please go to the “groups that don’t want them?” and be sure they publish this desire so everyone knows. Perhaps a burning rainbow flag sticker so we can tell where to shop.

      Perhaps the straight only entrances/business could be properly marked, like this https://i.imgur.com/FJ2McXk.jpg

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    • willieslo says:

      Cindy that is a very good point of thought
      Like all of us, they had no choice in the way they were born
      But they should not and really cannot force their born nature “wrath” on society as the world cannot force their born nature on them
      They have superior powers among them and at this point they are forcing their “wrath” upon the world of all ages not born like them
      They already substantially made their point to the culture that failed to accept and treat them fairly and with with dignity in the whole world, but their “wrath” is getting to the point that they are forging everyone young and old to be like them or else face criminal and civil discrimination jeopardy.

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      • willieslo says:

        Cindy I have dear friends who were gay since junior high school but I did not know they were until we talked about it when we go older, they were mature discussions and nothing has changed among us.
        I know they side with the “wrath” but not against me, it is the way others have mis-treated them.

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  9. Mike says:

    Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Boy Scout Party? leftists will tell you that it was wrong for Joe McCarthy but it is O.K. in this case.

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    • Mitch C says:

      To all the faggy, loose loafer swissers who dislike the comments made … have the same tolerance for others as you want for yourselves.

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      • OnTheOtherHand says:

        Tolerance doesn’t require agreement. A “thumbs down” is only an indicator that one disagrees with what is written. Ad hominem generalizations about those whose opinions you disagree with is not a convincing way of gaining support either.

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