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SLO ad exec arrested for threatening an officer

July 13, 2011

Jeff Lind

Prosecutors in Santa Maria have filed a flurry of felony charges against a San Luis Obispo marketing executive for allegedly threatening a police officer, a charge partially refuted by video tape of the incident available on KCCN.tv.

Jeffery Lind, 55, was at the Santa Maria courthouse when he spoke with an officer who had arrested his son for driving under the influence, said KCCN.tv. Lind said the officer made his son take a breath alcohol test 25 times.

Both Lind and Guadalupe police officer Robert Ortega agree that the following exchange occurred:

LIND (walking toward Ortega): “Oh, you’re Ortega.”

ORTEGA: “Yes, I am.”

LIND: “You’re the officer who arrested my son. You’re here for court today?”

ORTEGA: “Oh. You’re Lind’s father.”

LIND:  “Yes. Thank you for arresting my son.” (In his report, Ortega asserted the comment was made “sarcastically.”)

At this point, Lind’s and Ortega’s versions of events differ sharply. Lind would later report in a sworn affidavit that Ortega then said, “Thanks? Really?” And Lind responded, “No, you made him blow (take a breath alcohol test) 25 times.”

Ortega claims he “became fearful” of Lind who he said began threatening him, jabbed his finger at him and yelled in his face.

According to Lind, he said, “Justice will prevail.”

According to Ortega, Lind said, “And you got something coming to you, too, pal.”

Ortega later reported that he “felt threatened by this as he was sitting down.” He said he “then advised (Lind), ‘You just made a threat to a police officer.’”

Footage from security cameras in the courtroom foyer appear to refute at least some of the allegations now being leveled by the officer and Santa Barbara County district attorney’s deputies.

Lind has been charged with resisting arrest; conspiracy; dissuading a witness; attempting, but failing, to commit a crime; and attempting to file a false or forged statement. He’s free on $200,000 bail.

Find the complete article by Daniel Blackburn and the video tape at KCCN.tv.


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“Ortega claims he “became fearful” of Lind who he said began threatening him, jabbed his finger at him and yelled in his face.”

“According to Lind, he said, “Justice will prevail.”

“According to Ortega, Lind said, “And you got something coming to you, too, pal.”

“Ortega later reported that he “felt threatened (???) by this as he was sitting down.” He said he “then advised (Lind), ‘You just made a threat to a police officer.”


Talking with passion or emotions (not threating someones life) is usually associated with finger pointing gestures.

I have seen many men and women do this.

I have seen many US Presidents do this.

I have seen many LE in the past do this

30 years ago I know of a LEO doing that to an arrestee and the arrestee bit the LE gloved finger almost off.


There needs to be a mutual withdrawal of charge and lawsuit agreement, and focus on the boy’s DUI charges, or this whole thing is not going to go well.


(Pride precedes the fall – with Ortega)

(Arrogance precedes the fall – with Lind)


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Arroyo Grande Attorney David Richards won a default judgment in civil court against officer Ortega for beating the !#%& out of two of his clients case number #MC 532235. FACT


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Truth

Wow, I didn’t know that.

As an citizen I would “assume” most or all LEO have an even keel of professionalism.

I think most people would “assume” or “trust” the same.

Thank you.


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No default judgment was ever filed in court. look the case up was dismissed due to a frivolous law suit. Richards never collected a dime. so you should get you stories straight, better luck next time Mr. Richards. HA HA.


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the cop is just abusing his power to arrest and intimidate a citizen. He felt threatened? BS.. the cop has pepper spray and a gun, and he felt threatened by the words of an unarmed citizen…….. ????


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He most likely did because he knew that Lind is a sovereign citizen, who does not believe in this countries constitution, and who would not hesitate to do what it takes to get his point across, just look at what the other sovereign citizens do to get their points across like Tim Mcveigh a domestic terrorist and most recently the officer back east that was shot and killed by a sovereign citizen on a traffic stop.


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Ortega, is that you?


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My conclusion

ALL OF IT WAS THE SON’S FAULT FOR DUI (Whether convicted or not)

Mr. Lind should not sue the officer

The officer should drop the charges


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The son needs to catch hell for DUI whether convicted or not.

Officer Ortega should consider the source and drop the charges against the father, he has learned his lesson without the high cost need to demonstrate who is superior.

None of us are any better including Ortega if we felt our children (not members of any gang) were rough up needlessly.


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As for Linds son yes he was convicted for the DUI by a jury of his peers. Charges filed against Jeff Lind, Ortega did not file them or write the report, he was filed as the victim in the case and the Santa Maria Police department along with the Santa Barbara DA office filed the charges so get your story straight, and make sure you have all the facts.


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You didn’t file the charges but you (correct me if I’m wrong) filed the complaint and it looks like a manufactured complaint for the purpose of gaining some rather shallow personal satisfaction. It would appear that your motive would be stemming from a perceived insolence and disrespect that he directed towards your overrated opinion of yourself and your position. Unless he threatened you in the court room, I’d say that your complaint is going to be your downfall.


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This is another outrageous abuse of prosecutorial power by the Santa Barbara DA. A primadonna cop in collusion with a corrupt prosecutor=a threat to every citizen of this county. Mr Lind, hire defense attorney David Bixby. He is the best.


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Naïve,


This has more to do with personal responsibility and professional courtesy or rather the lack of it by the “Lind family”…


DUI is a crime, strutting like a rooster in a courthouse in defense of it, is stupid. Lind got precisely what he deserved and he shall continue to be rewarded for his behavior.


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Did you watch the video? 3 days in jail, multiple criminal charges, $200,000 in bail for exchange in the hallway. Are you out of your mind? .


The only thing that’s going to change your mind is when you become the victim of something similar. And don’t think it can’t happen. Next time you get pulled over for a simple traffic violation don’t think a cop can’t go off on you and accuse you of things and make your life miserable.


The video shows what it shows. Mr. Ortega was in no way accosted and certainly not to the tune of a crime deserving of $200,000 dollars bail. Read below, there were 3 strong armed robbery suspects who only got $30,000 bail. Compare that!


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oholic:


The three days in jail was to give Lind time to raise bail, it was not a punishment. There is no need and no benefit to challenge an officer of the court outside of court. Tickets are promises to appear at a place and time to “defend” yourself or loved one. The fact that Lind acknowledges his “kid” couldn’t or wouldn’t “blow” as instructed testifies to the stupidity I have previously referred to. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Everyone has a right to defend themselves against tyranny. However, it should be done legally to be successful and lasting. Lind(s) belligerence inside the courthouse was dumb and has begun to be rewarded.


As most citizens you have so little understanding of the law, you probably think you are living in a Democracy instead of the Constitutional Republic we actually live in. If you don’t like law enforcement, avoid it. Otherwise study hard, you will be tested.


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Citizen,


you rant to the point where you lost focus. It’s real simple. Forget the names, forget what you think you know. Put on your unbiased, objective hat. Watch the video. After watching the video opine whether you just viewed a crime worth $300,000 bail. If you don’t have a concept of how much $300,000 bail is compare it to the 3 strong arm robbery suspects who got $30,000 bail.


Did the video show a crime worth $300,000 bail or not? Simple question. Yes or no. No rants about how much you know and how little everyone else knows are needed.


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The video showed an agitated Lind approaching Ortega several times. Since there’s no audio, we don’t know who threatened who, do we. As for crimes worth $200,000 bail, I would suggest that these charges came later. For example, we don’t know if he resisted arrest because we didn’t see him getting arrested. Certainly Lind could have been trying to dissuade a witness, since we have no audio as to what he said to Ortega. Same goes for the conspiracy charge and filing a false statement…..we couldn’t possibly know.


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Change the facts, change the answer. The article says the crime allegedly occurred in the video. I have to take it for what it says, otherwise anything could be anything if we change the facts. Making up facts that a 55 year old business man in a suit went ballistic when he was arrested is pure speculation and highly doubtful given his age and experience in life. Why would he do that? How would he possibly win that battle? It just makes no sense.


And as far as Lind being agitated that’s an excuse to justify a bias. It’s criminal court not a church, everyone’s “agitated.” You’d be agitated too if you were in criminal court. The video shows what it shows. Lind walked up and shook the officer’s hand. He then spoke to the officer from at least 10 ft. away. He never got in the officer’s face, never even pointed a finger at the officer. He had his cell phone in his hands. The officer never arrests Lind and shows no behavior that he’s just been the victim of a crime. Why does everyone keep making excuses? The video shows what it shows. It’s undeniable. Deal with it.


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The threats occurred in the video. The additional charges must have stemmed from later altercations. I see Lind shaking his finger at Ortega…..well, unless as someone here suggested, he’s flipping him off, and I doubt that absolutely. Since we don’t know what Lind said, my point is merely that the cop may have had every reason to consider himself threatened. You just don’t do that to a cop. If Lind is innocent of all/most charges, I think he’ll need more than this video as evidence, as will law enforcement whose shoulders bear the responsibility to prove guilt. Audio would have been huge here. May justice prevail, most importantly. Your comments are well taken.


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Pure speculation. Anyone can speculate about anything–it misses the point.


The point is the prosecution has to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. The video creates a mountain of doubt. We don’t put people in jail in America because of a “believe me I heard him say.” You have to have more evidence than that.


Imagine yourself being convicted of a crime based solely on the testimony of someone swearing that you threatened them. The system would fall apart if people got convicted on such flimsy evidence. Now imagine you get convicted based solely on the testimony of someone and there happens to be a video and it doesn’t gel with what the accuser testifies. Do you think that should even be possible? Proof beyond reasonable doubt when it’s “I heard him say” and the “words” don’t gel with the physical movements of the people in the video?


Such a result would be illogical. If that’s the standard the system would fall apart.


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Oh holic,


Do you really think that video will e the foudation of the case against Jeff Lind?


Did you see this post on the KCCN.tv link?:


i happen to know officer ortega and he has no reason to try to make up a story about the father. this guy did actually do what was stated by ortega and these lind family are whats known as sovereign citizens (militilita type) who do not believe in our U.S. constitution and file countless things against judges officers and anybody else who stands for our constitution. when the son was convicted of DUI the father and son combo both stood up in the court yelling that they do not believe in this court and do not respect the judgement and were held in contempt so now guess why lind was in jail for three days. this lind guy is obviously pacing and pointing at the courtroom and ortega did not throw his papers to the side as stated it looked to me like he set them down very normally when confronting lind about his malicious comments. and as for putting his hands behind him hes fixing the back of his shirt obviously and he was adjusting his radio on his right side to get someone to come help him with this guy who was threatening an officer. all in all Detective Corporal Ortega did nothing wrong or questionable, he is and has always been a fine, polished officer of Guadalupe P.D.(not santa maria recent hire).


Please don’t concern yourself with what I think as I will not be sittig on the “jury” that Lind will most likely be demanding.


As far as strong armed robbery goes, should it ever be tried on me, i will be judge by 12 and not carried by 6…


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gold fringe flag family ? .


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See, you can’t do it. You can’t be objective. You’re not watching the video and giving an opinion based on the video. You think you know the suspect. You think you know the officer. You think you know both their histories. You think you know that things happened after the video. You think you know lots of other remotely related things and all that is what is forming your opinion.


You’re right about one thing. You’ll never be on the jury. No objectivity whatsoever.


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Oh holic:


Your anger and bias is showing as you claim that I am not objective. Please re-read what I wrote. NOTHING I wrote would preclude me from sitting on a jury with an open mind. Reading what you write gives me the impression that you have already made a determination without hear one word of testimony from anyone.


Did you get what you deserved from law enforcement/penal system or are you just imagining things?


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The three days in jail was from the contempt of court charge that was filed by the judge for his outburst in court., as well as the hefty bail. Lind is the one at fault for this charge do to him not believing in the court system. Lind is a sovereign citizen who does not recognize our constitution. Look it up for more information its public record. Lind got what he deserved he should not contact anyone that is testifying in court against his family.


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“DUI is a crime” Lind wasn’t accused of DUI. “strutting like a rooster” even if true, is not a crime.

It is obvious you have some personal history with Lind and you’re holding a resentment.


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Naive,


Like oholic and many other citizens you have little if any logical experience or knowledge of the law or law enforcement. You seem happy to fall back on your feelings. I understand that feelings are reality for some more than others. If Lind had stuck to simply strutting and kept his mouth closed he would not have cost the taxpayers the price of three days in jail and all the other expense that will mount as a result of his “feelings”…


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@citizensoldier…your arguments are smoke and mirrors. The article is about an officer that reported a crime which included accusations that are not corroborated by the recorded video of the incident. So, why don’t you give it a try again, and post something pertinent related to the issue. The article only has 315 words and the video is just under 4:00 minutes long. Go aheand and review both.


In case the main issue raised by the article escapes you, here is a hint “Prosecutors in Santa Maria have filed a flurry of felony charges against a San Luis Obispo marketing executive for allegedly threatening a police officer, a charge partially refuted by video tape of the incident available on KCCN.tv.”


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Since you heard no audio, how do you profess to know if Ortega was threatened or dissuaded? As for resisting arrest, you didn’t see him getting arrested, so how could you know if he resisted. Same goes for conspiracy etc. These charges obviously came later, AFTER the video.


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See my comments to oholic above.


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hater:


The tape will not be central to the prosecution’s case although Lind may try to spin it… This will be a he said, he said matter of fact, so it will boil down to credibility. Lind has a history as does the Ortega. Guess which one will prevail…


Forget the video, it is a distraction, focus on the police report. That is where the action is.


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I’d like to see the police report…..


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NOW you are “talking” ..


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I read the report. Office Ortega says he felt threatened. The video does not support that statement. No one turns their back on someone they feel is a threat to them.


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Ortega did not write the Police report it was filed by the Santa Maria Police department. Ortega works for Guadalupe Police Department not Santa Maria like someone posted in the article. that goes to show you someone who was misinformed, no doubt a Lind supporter.


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It’s the damned cop’s fault for pressing the issue and filing the charges! Why didn’t he arrest Lind himself? Why didn’t HE keep his distance? Why didn’t HE keep his mouth shut? Why do WE always have to be the ones to back off, back down, knuckle under, keep our mouths shut, submit, grovel, and kiss their butts? People are sick of this BS! We are staring the “police state” in the face, AND WE DON’T LIKE WHAT WE SEE!


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G Eye:


Have another one…


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I agree and I hope our newly elected sheriff Ian Parkinson will change things within his Department. We are merely realizing that it is their boat, definitely no changing that but we might be able to influence the way they sail it!


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Bull. Sounds like the “Police State” at work to me. These things are way out of line. They are trying to make an example out of him. It’s happening all over the country.


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G Eye:


Everyone gets wht they deserve…’ “None for the road…it’s driving time” Gimlet.


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Again, I say BS. This has police intimidation written all over it. It’s very easy for them to do, if they really want to. It happens all the time. The punshment has already been meted out (lawyer’s fees and legal hassles). What’s the matter, can’t the cop take a little criticism? He’s a coward. I do consider it indiscreet to talk to police; but for damn sure it ain’t a crime! I predict this will be thrown out of court.


Lind’s next step is to file counter charges and sue!


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Did you see this post on the KCCN.tv link?:


i happen to know officer ortega and he has no reason to try to make up a story about the father. this guy did actually do what was stated by ortega and these lind family are whats known as sovereign citizens (militilita type) who do not believe in our U.S. constitution and file countless things against judges officers and anybody else who stands for our constitution. when the son was convicted of DUI the father and son combo both stood up in the court yelling that they do not believe in this court and do not respect the judgement and were held in contempt so now guess why lind was in jail for three days. this lind guy is obviously pacing and pointing at the courtroom and ortega did not throw his papers to the side as stated it looked to me like he set them down very normally when confronting lind about his malicious comments. and as for putting his hands behind him hes fixing the back of his shirt obviously and he was adjusting his radio on his right side to get someone to come help him with this guy who was threatening an officer. all in all Detective Corporal Ortega did nothing wrong or questionable, he is and has always been a fine, polished officer of Guadalupe P.D.(not santa maria recent hire).


G Eye, Keep your eyes peeled for new and more information. The video is a distraction. Do stay stuck on stupid.


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Yeah when you are in trouble the cops are the first people you call. do not call next time.


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Uncleusa

“Yeah when you are in trouble the cops are the first people you call. do not call next time.”


From one friend to another.

Thats a little on the arrogant side.

I had disagreements with LE years ago, and was told the same thing, my response was quick “I don’t “F” need any of you at all!” (and it was the truth).


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Spoken like a true relative of Officer Ortega!


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Dear da:


This one’s for you- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ


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When we eventally learn more about the exact nature of Lind’s stupidity in his response to the officer(s) of the court execution of the lawful duties, there will be more to write about.


Till then keep hitting the hot button.


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When we eventally learn more about the exact nature of Lind’s stupidity in his response to the officer(s) of the court execution of the lawful duties, there will be more to write about.


Till then keep hitting the hot button.


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Attorney’s and courts it’s all over rated, put the gloves on these to men who are acting like children, it is obvious that there is fault by both parties, they should not of even been talking to each other,,,,!

And the big one ,, Lind forgot the golden rule, ” it’s their boat! “,,, their world, that is how it is and that is how it will always be,,,,, show me different, when dealing with an officer of the law, no matter how rude or out of line you think that cop is acting remember this,,,, they have a huge gun, and they are afraid, some more than others,,,, but to not be afraid when carrying a large gun is just plain stupid,,,, and to not be afraid of some one carrying a very large gun is also just as stupid. Just the fact that the very large gun is in the picture prevents this from happening most of the time,.

In closing if I were pissed about how my son was treated, I would follow the proper channels and complain to the chief or the watch commander, not go off provoking some guy who is trying to do his job, who has a very large gun. Respectfully, respect what can kill you, smart people do.


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Okay I just watched the video to be sure, what a joke, this so unbelievable, the officer turned his back completely four times during this so called confrontation, the first thing you are taught in any academy is never turn your back on an adversary or a person who is even slightly agitated, in any form of martial arts this is also a number one rule, these charges are so trumped up this cop should be dragged behind the boat by the other good cops, (WE KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE)!

The cop should be charged with filing a false police report, (LOL), but in reality that’s exactly what he did.


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No its not Ca Native. When an Officer is waiting to testify you should not attempt to make your case in the hallway. Lind is charges for threats from what he said to the Officer. As for the rest of the charges was when Lind was in the court room and was rant and raving to the judge. The judge is not a fool and would not listen to Lind’s rants that he does not recognize the court system. this type of behavior will in fact get you in trouble and a bigger bail with the judge charging Lind with the added charges, NOT Ortega.


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Agressive body language? Lind is as far across the floor from the officer as possible.


The officer gets up and strides right up to Lind, puffs up his chest while reaching behind his back. As a citizen, I would find that threatening. That his hands end up in his belt is inconsequential.


Maybe it was unwise to approach the officer at all. But, it’s his legal right and officers should always be approachable. Lind was not interfering with an officer’s duty, and if they attempt to say he was trying to intimidate a witness, I hope he goes for a jury trial.


Ortega may have once received an award for valor, and his job is difficult no doubt, but to get careless with the truth when on camera (nowhere nowhere nowhere do I see Lind lift a finger, much less jab the air with one, much less jab a finger in the officer’s face). What will Internal Affairs do with this? Such blatant dishonesty is synonymous with filing a false police report and is unbecoming an officer.


To top it off, no doubt he’s a Christian. May I remind him of the 9th Commandment.


Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.


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The more I think about this, if there was a threat, and other behaviors and they rose to the level of a felony, why then did the officer not arrest him on the spot?


He did not arrest him on the spot because there is no cause for his arrest.


This is so unfortunate as the county of Santa Barbara will be paying for the Lind’s new summer home, in the Bahamas.


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Lind should sue for false arrest and charge the officer with THREATENING HIM!


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I have to agree. I don’t know what Bobby was thinking. You can see it in the video. There’s no way Bobby felt threatened. This is a 55 year old business man in a suit upset over his stupid kid. Bobby has too much experience with people to think that this older man in a suit was either presently going to do something to him or in the future do something to him. It defies common sense. It defies human nature. It defies the video.


And what I really don’t understand is the over the top reaction of the system. 3 days in jail? 200k bail? And a re-arrest at a hearing? It’s simply bizarre. There must be more to the story.


Unfortunately for Bobby and the system, it appears he and government are going to take a big hit on this one. Frankly though, I feel for the business man. He should be compensated. How offensive to be accused of such major crimes and be ordered to post such a ridiculous bail given that video. The system just turned numerous law abiding citizens into cop haters with this one.


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There is one caveat: Don’t talk to police officers. You have nothing to gain from this and everything to lose. It can’t help you in court because it’s hearsay, so don’t do it.


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This has nothing to do with what the kid did — that is a separate issue.


The local police, including those in SLO County have a history of lying for their benefit because in the past they could get away with it. This is unfortunate, because this looks like another case that the officer abused his power because he thought he could get away with it and as we have seen in other videos other officers conspire to cover up the truth.


It is not illegal for the father to make such a statement. The problem for these officers, in general, is that they keep getting cuaght on tape lying about their actions. There is no excuse for this and the officer(s) involved need to be held accountable for their actions.


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Yep, it’s called “testilying.” Happens all the time.


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Three wrongs still does not make it right! Kid should not have been drinking and then driving. Dad should not have gotten in someones face but his kid and the COP should have kept his mouth shut. If dad wants to make an ass of himself find.


If everyone would have kept the mouth shut, no alcohol in body, no driving intoxicated, no breath test 25 times, no confrontations.


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I can see the mom and dad upset because parents are protective.

But if it had been a daughter, it would have really been worst.

The officer was probably just doing his job (glad that he was), the DUI charge on his son should not sly.

Its going to cost an arm and a leg on the son’s DUI charge alone.

The origin to all this was his son’s DUI.


Why is LE historically so despised across the public spectrum?


I just got my DMV Renewal fee, there is a $9 “DA” fee added.


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It’s nice to have a cop lie on paper and have the video tape to back it up. Boo hoo Sr. Ortega, someone must have thrown your sandwich into the mud. Civil suit and go after Ortegas qualified immunity and take his home and pension. Lying cops are pos.


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Because we are afraid to take responsibility for our own security, we as a society have seen fit to outsource that duty to a third party. We are but as sheep that have hired a sheep dog to protect us from the big bad wolf. The problem is, the sheep dog has been allowed to go rogue and is now, in many cases, just as bad or worse than the big bad wolf that they were hired to protect us from.


Don’t like what this story is all about? Stop promoting the police state and vote for constitutionally oriented statesmen (women) instead of career politicians. Only when the power of government and its agents is reigned in will this type of incident stop.


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Are you angry or just stupid, standup?


Anyone who actually knows Lind understands his recently developed frustration with government. His close association with Los Osos “con man” Tom “RECLAMATOR” Murphy’s scam and subsequent failed lawsuits against the State of California demonstrate Lind’s Looney ideals. The tape shows Lind to be hostile, if you “know” Lind… There was no reason for anyone with Lind’s “circumstances” to approach and confront an officer of the court outside the courtroom, unless you are a frustrated “hot head” or just plain stupid. Seems Lind’s kid is picking up on his father’s disrespect for the law or he is just too stupid to wrap his lips around a tube the first or second time when pulled over for reasonable cause (public safety) by police. When you play with fire, you may get burned.


Lind is a loser and it should be a great story to watch unfold as he grinds himself against the machine. Too bad his kid is front row center watching this part of his father’s act. He obviously got the drinking part down pat…


Three days in jail should have done Jeff some good. It appears not, as his desire to dig deeper where the poorly filed “notice of intent to preserve an interest” in his Judge’s home proves that Lind is a rabid as any foaming mouth dog. Now all Lind needs is the RECLAMATOR MAN to come riding in wearing the too big for his pin head cowboy hat.


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I don’t know Officer Ortega, but I do know he was given the award for valor and honored for his contribution to dui enforcement. It bothers me to see him judged on this blog when his reputation as an officer seems higly regarded.


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Highly regarded or not, Ortega is a trained expert witness and he just got caught in a LIE!


He should lose his job over this action.


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Hey Side Show please explain exactly where Mr Ortega lied or got caught in any lie. You sir are a fool. You are making judgements based on information that is not in its entirety and believing only the info from that devil in disguise Lind. People like Lind, you and all the other morons on here who believe they have it all figured out cuz Lind told you so and you saw it on the internet so it must be true are some of the biggest problems in the USA. You waste hard working people’s tax dollars defending people like Lind who repeatedly bring frivolous suits to court cuz he is sue happy and thinks he will get rich doing so on your tax dollar. If Lind really had a case he would be attacking the evidence not the officer. All of you who are jumping to conclusions are either just like Lind, Sue Happy cuz you’re too lazy to actually work or you’re plain stupid. You really need to get a life. Oh and by the way, since you and all of you cop haters out there are so hateful towards our law enforcement remember this, Next time you need help don’t call the cops or dial 911. You don’t deserve their help. Unfortunately they cant pick and choose who they help they just do their job regardless of who you are. Including arresting drunks and terrorists.


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