California city snubs president, victims of Pearl Harbor

December 10, 2012

By KAREN VELIE

San Luis Obispo staffers accuse city officials of snubbing the president, the “greatest generation,” and victims of Pearl Harbor after they ordered employees to raise flags lowered in honor of Pearl Harbor patriots to full-staff.

President Barack Obama proclaimed December 7 as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day to honor “the most devastating attacks ever to befall the American people.”

“We mark this anniversary by honoring the patriots who perished more than seven decades ago, extending our thoughts and prayers to the loved ones they left behind and showing our gratitude to a generation of service members who carried our nation through some of the 20th century’s darkest moments,” the proclamation says.

“I encourage all” organizations in America “to fly the flag of the United States at half-staff in honor of those American patriots who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.”

After it was discovered that some San Luis Obispo staffers placed flags at half-staff following Obama’s proclamation, city management ordered the flags raised to the top of the poles, claiming only Mayor Jan Marx and the city council are permitted to order city owned U.S. flags flown at half-staff.

However, U.S. policy says only presidents and state governors can decide when and how long the U.S. flag should be flown at half-staff. These proclamations generally honor the deaths of high-ranking federal officials or servicemen who have lost their lives protecting the United States of America.

Nevertheless, San Luis Obispo city policy allows elected city officials to refuse a presidential proclamation and to order the nation’s flag to be flown at half-staff to honor deceased former city officials.

On Oct. 4, Mayor Jan Marx ordered U.S. flags to be flown at half-staff in honor of former city council member Myron Graham, who passed away at the age of 99 a few hours earlier. On Oct. 5, city staff followed her command and lowered the approximately 10 U.S. flags flow on city properties to half-staff.

Marx said she became aware that several city staffers sent emails complaining of the city’s refusal to honor veterans of the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, the same day Marx and members of the city council rode on a float in the city’s Christmas Parade. Marx told CalCoastNews.com she plans to look into the issue.

However, she refused to answer several questions, such as does the city or the president have the authority to determine when the U.S. flag can be flown at half-staff. Nor did she address why she did not deal with the issue on Friday.

Following the city’s insistence that flags not be flown at half-staff on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, numerous employees, mostly veterans, voiced their concerns in emails to city management. In one email that was copied to all city employees, a former Marine spoke of his military service and his support for those who have died while serving the United States.

“If I seem upset to you, it’s because I am,” the employee says in the email. “As a veteran, that flag is sacred to me. I wore it on my sleeve when I was getting rocketed and mortared in Afghanistan; I’ve unloaded body bags off a Blackhawk helicopter which were draped in our flag. Pearl Harbor was an epochal event in our nation’s history; my late father was a WWII veteran of the Pacific theater.”

Assistant City Manager Michael Codron responded by claiming only elected city officials have the ability to determine when the U.S. flag is flown at half-staff on city owned properties.

“I do recall last year and I’m sorry the city’s flag policy is not consistent with how you – and I know many others – would have the city recognize important memorials, such as Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day,” Codron said in an email. “The flag policy can be changed by the City Council, and I would encourage you and others who have an interest in this issue – as I would any member of the public that wanted to see our flag policy changed – to get together and either write a letter to the City Council or attend a regular meeting and provide public comment on this matter.”

San Luis Obispo Police Officer Matt Blackstone, a former combat Marine who served in the Persian Gulf, also sent emails to city management. He wrote about mourning his fallen comrades and voiced his disappointment in the city over its refusal to honor patriots of Pearl Harbor.

“Today I am left with a similar sick feeling in my gut, maybe a little less intense, but similar that I work for a city administration and council that has such disregard for the sacrifice of our veterans, Blackstone says in the email.

“The fact that our city would have a policy that we don’t fly flags at half-staff on these historic days is shocking. As I write this I have been told that employees of our city were ordered by their supervisors to raise the flag back to full staff at their work location after having lowered it in remembrance of the day.

“So in closing, I will say this to our Assistant City Manager Michael Codron, calling it your job doesn’t make it right, boss. You are second in command of the city, fix it please.”

UPDATE: Jan Marx responded with the following statement after this article was posted:

The city flag policy was enacted long before I was on city council. I learned about the request to lower the flag on Pearl Harbor Day only after city staff had said no to it. I want to make sure our flag policy conforms to federal law and have asked our city attorney to review the matter.

 


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Jan Marx and hubby fled the US during the Vietnam war so hubby could avoid the draft. Hubby has openly stated in a letter to his college reunion colleagues that they consider Canada their real home.


Does this answer the question on why Marx wouldn’t honor veterans or acknowledge Pearl Harbor? She considers her anti-war views more important than the views of SLO residents or President Obama.


Sorry, I should have posted the link with that remark, but was in a hurry. http://www.columbia1968.com/stevenmarx/


Thanks to Laughlines and Pelican1 for supplying it.


I actually put this link on the blog before the Mayor election, so I guess I’m a little surprised that people didn’t already know. The link is to Steve Marx’s own writings on this period of his life. I have no personal information –just what is on the web written by Steven Marx.


Would it be inappropriate to consider Marx a traitor? Because in view of these facts I certainly think she qualifies.


Lest we forget which other of our leaders sought and received multiple deferments or otherwise avoided service:

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html


And this link (which is more entertaining):

http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/


Lest we forget: Mittens Romney spent Vietnam dayz on a Mormon mission.


Did he go to south america and help the poor? No, he went to France…

“Romney’s duties consisted mainly of going from door to door in Paris, the southwestern city of Bordeaux, and the northwestern port town of Le Havre”

http://www.france24.com/en/20120314-usa-mitt-romney-france-paris-mormon-mormonism-mission-election-presidential


And Mitt has what to do with San Luis? Nice misdirect away from the subject.


She and her husband may have a hard time with the military establishment due to Vietnam, seeing as they left the country. Now fast forward to present day. Was this on oversight on her part or a feeling from past on her feelings about the military? That is what should be being asked. Not your non-sence.


I don’t believe Obama served in any military branch, nor any of Kennedy’s and politicians on both sides avoided the draught,. Just as many democrats as repulicians did what they could. Why bring this up? Stay focused! Move on…


PT109


I was thinking the same thing.


TacomaRose says: Would it be inappropriate to consider Marx a traitor?


Yes it would be, it does not qualify but this does show you do not understand the word.


Poor choice, sure. Traitor? not even close.


Citizen,

I realize that hearsay and innuendo have found a comfortable and permanent home here @ CCN comment boards, but there are a handful of readers who would appreciate a citation or a link once in awhile which supports serious allegations.


Thanks.


WOW! Where can I go to vomit? The San Luis Obispo City Council Chambers may be a start.

Could Jan Marx possibly be related to Jane Fonda? This article is scarry.


Mr. Holly says: “Could Jan Marx possibly be related to Jane Fonda?”


What a super complement to compare Jan to Jane Fonda.


Well the next time you are able to post here or on the net elsewehere you and Jane should be thankful for the same military you hold in contempt. It is them that give you the opertunity to be able to post your clap trap.


I immediately thought of Jane Fonda when I read this.


Still fighting the Viet Nam war. Hey, that was 40 years ago — get over it.


The families of over 28,000+ Americans killed in Vietnam will NEVER “get over it.”


Correction…58,000+


I think we should all do just what Obama wants us to do. That’s really what this is about, right?


Obama proclaims it, and we little governments need to abide by it. How’s that going for the peeps is Arizona vis a vis immigration law? Hell, how’s that going for us, vis a vis fed marijuana law trumping our own?


Apples to oranges?


Maybe…


“I think we should all do just what Obama wants us to do. That’s really what this is about, right?”


WRONG and if you don’t get it, then I doubt that anyone can explain it to you.


Well, you could at least TRY to explain it.


What are you in third grade? Obama doing what he wants us to? REALLY?? Never have voted for the man but I don’t think what he asked last Friday was out of line in any manner. It wasn’t politically motivated or any politics in it whatsoever other than the non-sence you are trying to introduce here. Are you REALLY that partison blinded to give him a bad time on this?? AMAZING!!!


Ideology turned off your irony detector. Lighten up.


racket says: “I think we should all do just what Obama wants us to do. That’s really what this is about, right?”


So what you are really saying is you’r unhappy it’s over for the GOP (losers) and now you want to piss on every internet thread that has our presidents name in it.


Political tantrum much?


Help me with the context a little … last year December 7th was Pearl Harbor Day as well.


Were the flags of SLO at half mast or were they not?


Do you know, or don’t you?


How come it’s an issue now?


It’s precisely because it was brought to management’s attention last year that it became an issue this year. Management had plenty of advance notice this year, they were provided with the Presidential proclamation regarding Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, and yet one individual at City Hall made the decision to ignore the day and that’s how this blew up. Missing it last year due to an oversight was unfortunate, but blowing it off deliberately this year was an insult. One City field employee who is a veteran finally decided to force the issue. Hope that helps. Like I’ve said on this board before, just walk around and talk to the folks with the nametags on their shirts; you’ll learn much about the City that never makes the papers.


Okay. Thank you.


You are so right just ask any employee what they think of Michael and Katie and their

Leadership skills. How could they let this happen again.


It’s an issue because this is CCN, where everything’s an issue NOW and not then. Fact free rants.


Well here it is for anyone in SLO that may want. It is the instructions on how to recall state and local politicians. In regards to local it starts on page 14. Good luck.


http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall.pdf


As much as I dislike most of our city officials… this gets the big shoulder shrug from me. People will, eventually, get a lot more mileage out of asking the really important questions like “How much did FDR now beforehand about a potential attack on Pearl Harbor?” and “Why kind of satan worshipping nutcase would unleash the atomic bomb on Japan, and the world especially since it appearsJapanese officials were ready to surrender before the bomb was dropped?” Instead everyone is distracted by truly inconsequential things like what position a piece of cloth is flown on a pole.


I’m not suggesting that it wasn’t inappropriate. I’m not saying that the people who died don’t deserve respect. What I’m telling you, is wake up American and quit allowing yourselves to be manipulated by things that don’t effect the outcome of millions of lives, while you ignore the things that do. Distraction is the first tool of the oppressor.


Apples an oranges mkaney. We are talking about RESPECT here and the good men that were attacked, unsuspectly, on Dec. 7th 1941. You are talking about things that all came afterwards. To broad an arguement in my opinion.


Thank you for a thoughtful response that didn’t just skewer me like I suspect many will. Like I said, I do agree that respect should be shown. My argument is merely based on the idea of getting as much actual value as possible out of the time we spend being concerned about politics. It is certainly hard to objectively measure what relative importance of things, but in my opinion things like flag protocol and ceremonies honoring the dead (any dead, for any reason) have wound up taking nearly all the attention of people while so many important things go ignored.


mkaney, I understand exactly what you’re talking about and yes many people would be disturbed if they knew more of the facts surrounding what FDR knew prior to the Pearl Harbor attack. Why don’t you write an opinion piece about it rather than doing the very thing that you complain about and that is attempting to DISTRACT THE FOCUS.


We’re are talking about something else here that needs to be addressed and I for one don’t appreciate being sidetracked. Start your own topic in the opinion section. I thank you in advance.


You are correct, I am attempting to distract the focus. We all have our own agenda to some degree. I think it serves our veterans better to focus on preventing unnecessary war and uncovering where we have been lied to in the past.


I agree with you a lot of the time and I do see your point about things being ignored and do agree but I am big on Flag protocol. I have never served but I owe those who have served and died, those that have served and lived and those serving now, the DECENTCY to help defend what they fought so hard for, with little compensation, other than love of country.


They stand the point in harms way all over this globe going all the way back to our roots. What you are talking about being ignored (other subjects), starts with the Flag. It represents our country. Every nation on this earth instantly recognizes it. Without it we are nothing. So again I think the arguement being made here by many is SPOT ON!!


Thank you BTDT


I could not agree more. As you said, I didn’t serve either ( health reasons), but I come from a very long line of those who have. Somebody has some serious explaining to do.


Please refer to my response to BTDT for some additional explanation.


I understand where you are coming from. I do have respect for veterans but I feel that to truly show them respect is to try and prevent future members of the military from dying in conflicts which OUR government itself may be largely responsible for. There is a bigger story leading up to Pearl Harbor involving resources in the region, oil companies, empire-building… many of the same things we are facing now in the middle east. Many people have died NOT defending our nation but defending the interests of the wealthy of this nation.


Although I understand the good intentions of those who fought and died, I think that their sacrifice is cheapened by focusing on ceremonial issues. There is a reason the federal government puts so much focus on such superficial things while it continues to disregard the value of the lives of those who serve by sending them into harms way for issues unrelated to protecting the freedom of the American people.


We will probably have to agree to disagree, but I thank you for your thoughtful and genuine response.


Thank you mkaney, for your response. Yep agree to disagree. That is the great thing about opinions. We are all entitled to ours and even if we disagree, doesn’t make the other guy a bad person, just different perspective.


I for one will disagree with you. Perhaps you should read up on how the Japanese behaved when they invaded China. The decision by the United States to place an embargo on Japan was the right one for any number of reasons. No one has, to my knowledge, ever conclusively demonstrated that F.D.R. knew for certain about the impending attack. It is true that U.S. Navy cryptographers had deciphered Japanese codes as early as the 1920’s, and that we knew, generally speaking, that the Japanese considered Pearl Harbor their primary target if they got into a war with us. But, if you have proof that F.D.R. knew beforehand, please post it. Much of what you’re saying here sounds like you’re trying to fly your contemporary criticisms back in time. It doesn’t wash. Lastly, you may consider ceremonies such as flying the flag at half-staff “superficial” but most of us don’t. That’s why you got some irate responses.


Iris Chang embarrassed the Japanese royalty I believe her ‘suicide’ was assisted .


Again another taking the point of Pearl Harbor WAY off the track into something that no longer is relevant to what this is about. Geez.


“PIECE OF CLOTH’ “FLOWN ON A POLE” No surprise that you would weigh in with such and idiotic display of stupidity. While you were spending many years at college which was funded by the local food distribution business of your family, many men and women you age were serving under what you call a piece of cloth. That piece of cloth is the symbol of our great nation and it stands proudly on a pole as a warning to those who might seek to infringe on the freedom that it represents. It is sometimes flown at half staff in remembrance of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice in it’s defense. Neither point I would expect you to understand given the veil of protection under which you were born and raised to such a level of stupidity and disregard for those who were lost to provide the freedom under which you exist. Perhaps you should take it easy on the use of hallucinogenic substances which you so proudly post about on your my space account and you might begin to get some kind of a clue.


As a side note, those who do business with Kaney foods might want to do business elsewhere. My guess is a food distributor from China would show a little more regard to the sanctity of our flag and our veterans.


You have chosen an appropriate name to comment under. First of all, I do not work for Kaney Foods and my opinions do not reflect those of other members of my family. My college was not funded by the business because no Kaneys owned it at that time. So, maybe you start commenting under your real name, you can start throwing around bad assumptions. But until then, don’t attack people on a personal level.


Bravo! Good response to a troll.


Many Americans are being well paid to look away and allow themselves to be “manipulated”. Government bails out, creates programs, and enacts laws that offer monetary assistance to those in “need” in turn for their looking the other way on issues such as the basis of this article

Take a drive to the new Social Services bldg in Paso and look at the cars in the parking lot. Expensive new(er) cars. Cars costing more than the annual incomes of 2 Paso Robles families.


I am almost speechless at the display of self-importance shown by SLO City officials. They think they are so important that they have the RIGHT to determine how SLO City shows it patriotism – because it is “their” flag – well Mayor and Council – it isn’t YOUR flag – it is OUR flag!!


EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!!!


Well said, it is OUR flag and the SLO city officials simply can’t be trusted with it. I think someone should confiscate all the city flags from the poles by night and put them away for the day that the citizens can trust that that OUR flag is going to be represented and flown with the respect that our veterans deserve. In the mean time, all the citizens can fly their own flags in support and replacement of stripping the city flag poles. The citizens need to take a stand here and let our veterans across this nation know that we support them.


Jan Marx doesn’t deserve to serve the people in any capacity. Do you all see this headline? This story is going to get picked up and it will go national, mark my words, the Happiest Place in America is going to become a scandal.


Jan Marx, If my fellow Americans are as angry about this as I am, the good citizens of SLO will recall you. If I lived in SLO, I’d be out there right now collecting the signatures of my fellow voters.


Hell I don’t even live in SLO (Paso) but if they get a recall petition going on this dumb wench, I would be more than happy to donate time gathering signatures.


Please do. That would invalidate it since you’re an out of town busybody.


Have you replied on these boards to anything going on outside the town you live in? My guess is probably so.


People read this and the paper and other news. It isn’t being a busybody. Busybody would be getting into the neighbors or families business that has not been in the news. Could you please make a more rational arguement.


I honestly don’t know what to say about something like this. When Marx was contacted about the flags being at half staff without her permission, why didn’t she immediately simply give her permission? It seems to me that this would have been the response from any healthy minded American.


How sad is it that she has no love or respect for those who gave their lives so that the citizens of SLO could cast a ballot to elect the likes of her? She is obviously so self absorbed that I won’t go beyond what our veterans did for her.


Personally, I hate to say this but I would like to SLAP her right in the face.


Mayor Marx, you should seriously consider stepping down.

Your latest example of lack of leadership is disrespectful to all members of the armed services, veterans, and their families. That is NOT what San Luis is about.


Cindy: Jan Marx, Mayor of the best place in America, is an official and therefore an elected position. It is Katie, who obviously AGAIN was gone and not available to deal with another City issue. It is so convenient how she is always gone… Anyway, it is Jan Marx and the City Council who is totally responsible for this act. How Un-American can one be? This is really disguesting. Who the hell do these people think they are to override the President of the United States. Shame on you all!


For those who don’t understand why or what SLOBIRD is responding to me about. I placed a post earlier where I confused Marx with Katie and referred to Marx as the city manager rather than the mayor. Although I was able to e-mail the administration and have the post deleted literally within minutes, SLOBIRD obviously saw it and responded with a correction. Sorry SLOBIRD, your post wasn’t up yet when mine was deleted.