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17 wounded, 14 killed in San Bernardino shooting

December 2, 2015

UPDATE: Two suspects in the San Bernardino shooting, a man and a woman, were killed in a gun fight with police officers after a car chase Wednesday. The male suspect has been identified as Syed Farook, a San Bernardino County environmental health specialist who left the party about 20 minutes before the shooting occur.

A third suspect has been taken into custody.

ORIGINAL: A manhunt is under way for one of three suspects who killed 14 people and wounded 17 others during a shooting Wednesday at a facility hosting at a holiday party for a San Bernardino social services agency. One suspect is dead, another is wounded and the third is on the run. [New York Times]

Around 11 a.m., three gunmen pulled up in a sport utility vehicle at a service center for people with disabilities, spent “several minutes” shooting inside a conference room, and then fled, said Chief Jarrod Burguan of the San Bernardino police. It is suspected the suspects worn masks and body armor.

Burguan said the motive for the assault is currently unknown.

The suspects targeted a conference room in the campus of the Inland Regional Center where a holiday party was being held for San Bernardino County Health Department personnel.


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Syed Farook named as suspect. Father speaks out.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471


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Second suspect is from Qatar. Stay tuned.


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Now said that he JUST went to Saudia Arabia recently AND had brought back his new wife. Hmmmmm.


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Oh and for the people that like to jump on source, that is from the L.A. times this morning.


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Cant help but think of sickos like Petetit, Adam Shill, and Aaron Ochs when instances like these arise. Just a matter of time before these guys tops blow….


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EXACTLY my point.


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You’re projecting. Hyperbolizing,helps how?


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Obviously, denial ain’t a river in Egypt.


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Maybe knowing what the facts are here will help to make comments that have meaning. Until then, it’s all speculation. Being sarcastic does nothing about the problem


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The solution to this increasing disturbing trend in America is simple….MORE GUNS!

Being the non-violent, mentally stable, socially conscious society that we are….we NEED MORE GUNS! Especially in the hands of those who commit mass killings, seemingly every week.

America is self destructing at an incredible pace…our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves.


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You outlaw guns and you will have these wackos killing people with knives.


This is what happens in China where guns are banned!


If one of those people at the disabled center in San Bernadino had a concealed carry permit, this tragedy would have been far less severe.


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Gee …How many mass murders do we hear of committed by rapid-fire knives from a distance ?


You small penis club gun nuts are insane.


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SF, it’s the thought that counts. Please address why these wackos feel the need to kill.


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You know … I appreciate that. It’s thoughtful and respectful.


Truth is, I don’t know exactly what makes a diseased mind behave the way it does. Many so-called professionals are constantly flummoxed ( I make no claim ), yet give scholarly dissertations and earn their PH.D’s on pure bullshit.


Is it want of power ? Or the knowing LACK of power ?

Maybe both ?


Humans are not natural predators. We don’t have teeth, or claws, or other physical attributes that give us the ability, or need, to kill.


We have MINDS that have lifted the species above all others.

Yet, apparently …that is not enough.


Some are too inhuman to be human.


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Sheesh, more baloney.


Humans have always desired power, over their environment and each other. It’s in our nature.


Humans are THE apex predator on this planet. Our earliest inventions were created to kill, for food, defense and offense. We dominate every part of the planet we go, for better or worse.


Our minds, as you rightly pointed out, are the physical attribute that enables our predator instincts. We don’t need claws or big teeth, spears and dead falls are far more effective at killing.


Gotta go now…


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It happens all the time in China.


Some nutjob with a sword or knife goes into a public place and kills many people.


In Britain they are talking about banning knives after they already banned guns due to knife violence.


The problem is not guns but sick, mentally ill people. It is a mental health issue.


Discuss this issue with pertinent facts and not phallic fixations.


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You lost that silly argument already. Give it up.


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Stop the projecting. Your comments have long made it clear that you’re a member of said club.


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Some questions for you SF

1. Do you trust the government to protect you 100%?

2. Do you really think our gov can round up 100% of the guns in America from gangs,illegals,black market, gangs? Drugs are illegal and still they run rampant.

3.Do you trust that the media really tells us 100% of the details, unbiased and uncensored truth?

4. Do you think tougher gun laws ( prison time), will stop somebody willing and ready to die to be a deterrent from illegal gun ownership or one of these killings?

5. Do you not believe that if one or two of the party participants had concealed permits and were carrying, the loss of life may have been significantly reduced?

6. Do you find it acceptable the feds knew of Syed’s contacts with radicals and that his gals visa was expired, yet they did nothing?

7. Do you believe our government is efficient and effective at the programs they create and administer?

8. I assume you believe we should disarm law enforcement. After all how many gun related cop killings have taken place in the last year?

9. Ban guns and we all know criminals will still have them and that’s a fact. So how should one defend themselves if confronted with a gun yielding robber,rapist, terrorist or spun out tweeker? Perhaps we should offer a nice hug and a Coexist bumper sticker?

Please,Do tell, Im trying to understand ones willingness to die on their knees and be marched to their grave like a helpless sheep, instead of having viable chance of survival or protecting their loved ones.


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Until such time as we in America take gun control seriously, you can count on a mass murder coming to your neighborhood.


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You’re right. Emotional thinking and draconian laws are the path to Utopia.


Why don’t you actually do some research on gun violence? Perhaps because it wouldn’t fit your pre-conceived ideas?


See how well Jamaica’s heavy-handed approach worked for gun violence in that country, for starters, since they have the harshest gun/ammo laws in the world. Look at the murder rate before and after the banning of guns. Now do the same for the UK. Oops, didn’t see that coming, did you?


Here is a fact that is easily verifiable: gun ownership, per capita, has no correlation to murder rate when you look at the nations of the world. Sorry to burst your bubble with facts. The US has more guns per capita than any other nation on earth, yet our murder rate is average. There are too many countries to list with 10% or less the number of guns, and many times higher murder rates.


You see, it’s culture that leads to violence, not the availability of tools. The US has a culture of violence, it’s really that simple-


Violence is praised in sports, movies, and video games; Call of Duty and GTA account for the bulk of video game sales.


America has been at peace for only 21 years out of its existence, we are the most war-like nation on earth. We are currently involved in 134 wars, depending on how you define it.


I don’t expect to change the minds of any anti-gunners, because of this thing called confirmation bias. Facts that don’t fit your agenda don’t count, right?


And by the way, maybe you should read what the founding fathers actually said about arms before presuming them to be in rotational mode-


“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

– Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776


“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”

– Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787


“To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.”

– George Mason


“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”

– George Mason


“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”

– Noah Webster


These are but a few. Our founding fathers would have had classes on the AR-15 in public schools, they would have had military weapons repositories in every town, and those who did not approve of guns would have been perceived as weak or cowardly. I know this because I’ve spent considerable time reading their letters to each other.


Thus endeth today’s history lesson.


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