Conservative group asks for referendum on gay, lesbian text requirement

July 16, 2011

A conservative organization based in Sacramento filed documents Friday to begin a voter referendum regarding the recent passage of a bill requiring schools to teach the contributions of gay, lesbian, transgendered and bisexual individuals. []

Paulo Sibaja of the Capitol Resource Institute filed a request for a title and summary with the attorney general’s office. The institute is a hard-line, socially conservative organization that has long opposed attempts in California to expand rights for the LGBT population.

Sibaja is the institute’s legislative director; he and backers of the referendum will need to collect 433,971 signatures to let voters decide whether to keep or reject the measure that Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law on Thursday.

The institute officially opposed the bill throughout the legislative process. A coalition has formed behind the effort to remove the law from the books but Sibaja would not elaborate, saying more details would be available in a press conference on Wednesday.

The law is the first of its kind in the nation and requires, beginning Jan. 1, public schools to include in their social sciences curriculum information about the contributions of LGBT individuals. State budget woes, however, will delay the purchase of new textbooks until 2015.

Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, who introduced the Senate Bill, said he wasn’t surprised by the institute’s action. He called the group “extremist,” adding: “I think it will be a challenge for them to get the signatures. If they succeed, I’ll bet Californians” reject it.

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Why create more legislation for certain classes of people? Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution covers all of us. It reads:

Text of Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Lovely amendment, and intent. But not live up to and as long as we have a majority of crooks on the Supremes we will not be able to enforce such good words.

That Ole 14th Amendment 1887/8? didn’t work so well for every person within its juisdiction until the 1964 Civil Rights, act ERA went down like SG Jocelyn Elders

this legislation is for everyone it covers all of us it reads

Wow, lot of anxiety out there about this. I guess many of our citizens are not very secure in their own sexuality so must get their knickers in a knot when the gays would like equal rights. You might call these special rights since hetero people who contributed to society are not labeled such but gays, like other minorities, have been lambasted, hounded, discriminated against and even legislated against for all time, and quite a bit lately. So like anyone who has been put down they deserve a little special attention and protection. Just like affirmative action, aid to dependent families and other programs that try to level the playing field that has for so long been the sole domain of the well to do, white, male and largely (publicly anyway) hetero type people.

How would all you “I’ll sign” people feel if you had to hide your feelings, your sexuality? I can hear the flood of denials and lies even before you start to produce them. This forum is mostly for ranting, rationality and clear discussion that might result in changed attitudes are strangers here. But I urge you all to ponder it for a bit. Gay people are people who just like others of their same gender, instead of the opposite. Big deal. In an overpopulated world that is great, way fewer and NO unwanted babies. They adopt. So, think it over before you blast your neighbors for being ‘perverts’, The perverts, like Hoover, are the ones who persecute others for personal and political gain-plenty of those around.

“How would all you “I’ll sign” people feel if you had to hide your feelings, your sexuality?”

It appears that many of them do.

Good point about the adoption aspect. Foster homes are bursting with children.

And all those guys that have the naked women silhouettes on their mud flaps or etched into their back window, and the women who drive around with a license plate that says “if you’re going to ride my ass, at least pull my hair”, other than that, I have never seen a non-liberal boast their sexual preference. Yah, that’s it.



Your refering to choice and preference

I’m talking about a bill that becomes law for all, no choice or say so.

They’re not getting it and they never will.

Wow, lot of anxiety out there about this. yeah it reminds me of the lunacy the attempted passage of the Equal Rights Amendment brought out, crazy times.again

I’ll sign.


Scared because “you can’t handle the truth!”

You all are so afraid of the truth you want it distorted. Japan downplays their roles in wars, Germany would love to do away with Hitler as would many others, notable the White Supremacists who want Hitler lauded as a hero, not the villain he was. History books right now mostly focus on white men and wars as if that is all we have ever done.

Heaven’s to betsey that history is portrayed accurately.

What would Jesus do?

If Hitler was gay are they going to mention that in the textbook? Just curious. How about Stalin? Interesting thought. Those virgin minds are going to get the wrong idea about being gay aren’t they?

-It would be most Christian of you to stay a bit more logical and rant less.

Hotdog is right. What’s your anxiety about? Are you a closet gay or lesbian? If so, no worries, Jesus loves you, too. He loves ALL his children. Didn’t you read your Bible? Or are you like the New York bus driver who in the last week ordered a gay couple to go to the “back of the bus” (I am not making this up) because they were :::gasp::: holding hands.

Or when you say you are Spirit Filled, do you mean Hate Spirit Filled?

Your kind of distorted thinking is the same as lying. Clean it up.

Jesus is about love, fill your spirit with that.

I never said I was spirit filled. Thanks for the compliment though. I have nothing against gay people and certainly don’t hate anyone. Yes I probably lie sometimes and regret it afterwards. As far as being distorted in my thinking you are off base. You don’t know me. If you did you would love me, I’m sure. People that love each other don’t insult each other in a personal way meaning to hurt the other. Suffice it to say I am not judging you in a negative way, I would just suggest that you temper it down a little. Thanks and God Bless you.

I say once agin, how are these historical figures sexual orientation going to be determined? How is enough proof of their sexual orientation going to be obtained to make it worthy of teaching the children? This argument is absurd. We should be more concerned about READING, WRITING, AND ARITHMETIC.

I will sign with pleasure!

Hoover was gay and was in a long term relationship with Clyde Tolson. And, he was a cross dresser. Not all gays are cross dressers. Not all cross dressers are gay.

Facts are stubborn things.

But most of you here are simply scary.

Scary in what way?

Sources for the “facts”? Or are you just full of rumors?

@ Gimlet and Vagabond, I’ll give you for arguments sake that Hoover’s cross dressing might be a rumor but it’s not a rumor that he was gay and had a long time live-in lover. I have no problem informing high school students that he was gay. What are you all afraid of? Are you afraid that if your kids read that Hoover was gay that you’re kids will turn gay? Kids already know what the words ‘gay’ or ‘homosexual’ means, why make them dirty words why can’t those words be spoken? Hoover was gay and so were other historic figures,,,so what? If your child decided to do a bio on Hoover then that is part of his life. Should you kid just say, ‘well, he wasn’t married and he had a roommate. For some odd reason he left all of his money to this guy when he died’? Honesty is the best policy, they can handle it,

I just asked for some sources. Is there something wrong with that? I don’t have a problem with somebody “revealing,” or “outing” Hoover if he was homosexual. Not in the least. I have heard the rumor and have seen some material on the net about it. Hoover was a very strange man, an evil man, to the best of my knowledge. The power definitely went to his head way back there in time. If he had been properly and psychologically evaluated for his job as “director,” frankly, I think he would have failed to qualify. It is conceivable that he was a homosexual, but I don’t know this for a fact. “Doubts” are stubborn things, too.

How can I prove that Rock Hudson was gay? I can’t prove it as I’ve never watched him in the bedroom. Hudson like Hoover never publicly admitted to it but everyone around him knew it. It’s a shame that they felt that they couldn’t be open about it. They couldn’t be open about for the same reason that so many teens take their lives every year, because the ‘I’ll signs’ make them feel ashamed and embarrassed. Who knows, maybe Hoover wouldn’t have been such a d!ck if he could have admitted to,,,never mind the joke is too easy.

Typo, I was a motion picture stunt man in the early years, my uncle “Paul King” was a casting director and good friends with Rock Hudson many years. I sat next to him and in front of him having lunch on the set in many occasions with my uncle chating with him.

There were claims for palomony benefits when he passed away but neither me nor my uncle believed he was gay, and so what if he was, its his business.

There were others in the industry that were obvious gays, no one cared, its there personal business.

Hudson cared. I’ve read interviews with Doris Day, his best friend. Day said that he was torn up that he couldn’t come out of the closet. If I remember correctly the studio even had him get married and or have fake girl friends to hide is homosexuality. How would you feel if your were forced to live as a gay man (assuming you’re not) and if you were forced to appear to have gay relationships or risk your career? It’s none of anyone’s business that I’m straight but I’m certainly glad that I don’t have to hide it. If your uncle didn’t believe he was gay then your uncle didn’t know him as well as you think he did. It’s well known that Hudson was gay.

How would you feel if you were forced to not let anyone know that you are straight. As young willie if you couldn’t flirt with women, couldn’t date, couldn’t show affection to any women, do you think that you would be happy? No one is happy when they have to hide like that.

I think the studio wanted him to appear straight so they could sell him as a romantic figure to the ladies not because they thought something was wrong with being gay. It was all about money as usual.

In part I agree but being gay especially back then was taboo, all gays whether they were romance stars or not had to stay in the closet or their career would be doomed. It didn’t matter if they were move stars, or grocery clerks.

You have a strange view of time, Typoqueen. It still is “taboo.” If everybody thought the way that homosexuals thing, there would be no people!

My uncle knew him well, they are old friends, so is Tony Curtis, and John Wayne.

I spent some plenty of casual pleasant time around this pleasant person.

Your imagining and speculating this BS wishfully.

Doris is NOT his “best” friend.

The last time I spoke with Doris in 1990 was during a visit in Monterey County where she lives, she never once mentioned Rock Hudson! You don’t know and should stop making up things!

Doris lives in Carmel, Ca


You read “Day said that he was torn up that he couldn’t come out of the closet. If I remember correctly the studio even had him get married and or have fake girl friends to hide is homosexuality.”

I swear to God

Rock Hudson hangs out with the cast and crew like one of the guys when I was around him, a very pleasant and comfortable person. You can tell up close he does not have any hang-ups, his face, smile, and mellow energy is natural, it is usually the actresses that have worries and can’t hang out because they are super caked up in heavy heavy makeup and afraid of losing their character if they co-mingle.

We knew him pretty well.

Google is your friend, why ask strangers on the internet to provide a source better is to prove it fallacious with a search of your own , lazy.

What Nixon said upon learning of Hoovers Death LOL :-Q

Hoover was queer there is no doubts about it.

I’ll sign…

I’ll sign.

I’ll sign