Attention Morro Bay voters

November 4, 2013


Last week Susan Slayton hired an “interim, contract attorney” to replace Rob Schultz. As we had learned, Rob has been put on paid administrative leave and told to finish some projects he’s been working on. Rob will be working from home, as he’s been told not to come to City Hall. What are they afraid of?

We now have three “city attorneys” working for the council. There’s Mr. Simas, Rob, and our new, “interim, contract attorney.”

Speaking of Mr. Simas, apparently the mayor and he executed a modification of his contract including the infamous $12,500 cap. I remember the council discussing it at one session or another, but I hadn’t realized they’d taken a vote on it. What are they afraid of? Maybe public opinion and the law?

Meanwhile the mayor’s election squad is rushing to counter the recall. They’re sending out mailers to every home in Morro Bay urging people to Not sign the recall petition. What are they afraid of? All this petition does is give people a chance to decide if they support the mayor, or if they don’t support him. If he loses the recall he is out of office, period. No lame duck shenanigans for 6-months. He is simply out of office.

So I say again, what are they afraid of? The mayor’s political machine (it’s also Noah’s and Christine’s) is starting to spend money to convince voters that the recall is evil, or dangerous, or something. They lied about the cost of the recall and they lied about the confidentiality of the signatures. Hmmm, these folks must afraid that the mayor has lost his luster.

What are they afraid of? They most likely believe that the voters will finally figure out the real picture. They’re afraid that voters will finally see through that worn out charge about not reporting out the November closed session item where the council restored Rob’s severance pay to the original amount in his contract. That’s their only “charge” against him and it’s been dutifully shouted by the political machine, dutiful Irons supporters and their friends at the Tribune.

What are they afraid of? Possibly they’re afraid that those people who’ve been drinking the political machine’s Kool-Aid will realize that council member Smukler was on that evil board which neglected to report that closed session out. He should have known and should have said something about procedures. The mayor was advised that the closed session was never reported out and it was suggested that he do the reporting. He declined. Maybe that’s what they are afraid of.

Maybe they’re afraid the voters will discover the sheer stupidity of the mayor asking the coastal commission to deny the sewer plant expansion appeal, and the council’s zeal for reclamation which now sets us up for a multi-million dollar price tag ($90-160 Million).

Maybe that’s what they’re afraid of…the truth.




  1. fishing village says:

    Such old thinking. We all really need to send condolences to the end of an era of old plant in old location. Let’s jump on board with the Public Works Director and his plan to produce a great new plant in a great new location.

    (-1) 3 Total Votes - 1 up - 2 down
  2. probiz says:

    Our new tourism slogan, Come to Morro Bay, the city of 3 City Attorneys, terrible road conditions a beautiful Rock and miles of first class bike lanes. Stay for Tuesday night drama at the Vet’s Hall for a week of fun and frivolity.

    (5) 11 Total Votes - 8 up - 3 down
    • givemeabreak2 says:

      No offense, probliz but I don’t think it’s a very good slogan except for the bike lanes part.

      (0) 2 Total Votes - 1 up - 1 down
  3. Kalalau says:

    So…now on another thread…the one about Katie Lichtig….the SLO city manager…..someone has posted:

    “Keep following the trail and it all leads back to Katie. Anybody want to explain why Katie lived at Monica Irons and Mayor Irons house for two months and then Katie hired Council Member Christine Johnson!s husband for a $100k. A Job that he was not even qualified for. If you work for the City and even attempt to bring up improper going ons you get fired or they create a hostile work environment.”

    The plot thickens….and their agenda????

    (7) 15 Total Votes - 11 up - 4 down
    • slophocles says:

      Now I’m really confused. I thought the trail always leads back to Betty Winholtz.

      (2) 8 Total Votes - 5 up - 3 down
    • probiz says:

      I am certainly in favor of recalling Irons but this is uncalled for. It is none of our business that Ms. Lichtig stayed with the Irons or why she did so. Her hiring of Mr. Johnson has nothing to do with the issues at hand either. It seems that she has her challenges in SLO and that is for the citizens, leaders and employees of that city to deal with. Posts like this do nothing but arm the Anti Recall folks amunition to say that those that support the recall are NUTS.

      (-7) 11 Total Votes - 2 up - 9 down
    • givemeabreak says:

      Am sure the Irons family will figure out a way to “iron” that one out.

      (1) 7 Total Votes - 4 up - 3 down
      • givemeabreak2 says:

        i think someone already used that one, Gmbk. And i agree with probiz that we shouldn’t talk smack about peoples famblies. sorry.

        (-2) 6 Total Votes - 2 up - 4 down
  4. mb20 says:

    On a side note I am going to create a facebook page for people to like that will be an open forum for both sides of the recall effort. The Stop the Recall facebook page deletes anything I post and blocks me when I try to argue against the recall.

    I think this is unethical and unfair especially when they put such misinformation out.

    The page won’t be meant to be Pro recall, but I think the facts and statistics will support it.

    (6) 12 Total Votes - 9 up - 3 down
    • probiz says:

      Now that is funny. Slophocles calls us names and the anti recall site just deletes us. Our delete button will be on the voting machine deleting Mayor Irons from office. LOL

      (11) 15 Total Votes - 13 up - 2 down
      • slophocles says:

        Sorry, I’m a little cranky. I found out my Mother Jones subscription has been cancelled. But still, I really wonder how close you read my posts. You do realize the difference between calling a person a name and using negatives to describe that persons “point of view”, don’t you?

        (-6) 8 Total Votes - 1 up - 7 down
    • slophocles says:

      Great, just what we need – another place for people to cherry-pick more numbers and twist them and twist them until they support their points of view which are, at the core, self-serving, ideological and egotistical. I’m talkin’ to both sides here. I don’t even look at the “numbers” any more. People have abused them to the point that they are meaningless. The only way I’ll look at your facebook page is if there’s some good, ideological back-and-forth. The numbers have “numbed” me to boredom. I hate facebook anyway.

      (-4) 6 Total Votes - 1 up - 5 down
    • taxpayer says:

      Their agenda seems to be to foolishly spend as much of the taxpayer’s money as possible, have more closed session meetings than any previous council in the history of Morro Bay and do as much damage as possible while they’re still in office. They care nothing about the citizens of this city. The next thing on their immediate agenda seems to be to change the contract with lawyer, Steve Simas, and give him an addition $5000 dollars, over and above $12,500 that the Mayor forgot to put in his contract. It’s only other people’s money to them. Their egos are so big that they will go on costing the working people and seniors on fixed incomes more and more until they are sent packing. How sad for Morro Bay. Please sign the recall and help put a stop to these fools.

      (3) 9 Total Votes - 6 up - 3 down
      • Kalalau says:

        Next agenda for Tuesday Nov 12…..they intend to dismiss Leuker…..
        Can this get any worse?? probably….
        Sad very sad times for Morro Bay….

        (4) 8 Total Votes - 6 up - 2 down
  5. LameCommenter says:

    I heard the Mayor’s anti-recall campaign is deceptively telling people that the recall must be a costly special election, but isn’t 125 days in the code, allowing for a combined/consolidated election? Can someone count this out?

    RECALL Mayor Irons, folks. Don’t “Los Osos” Morro Bay ! Recall your stupid move the plant morons, in the name of all that is holy, LEARN from and don’t repeat the Los Osos stupidity !

    And please RECALL THEM promptly. The rest of county is sewer-weary after listening to the Los Osos self-governance sewer DEBACLE. Don’t let a tin horn man ignorant of his multi-millions damage to Morro Bay continue his actions dooming the town.

    (And I own property in Los Osos). I can show you my $ 24,000 hit.

    (12) 18 Total Votes - 15 up - 3 down
  6. probiz says:

    While MBactivist would like us to beleive that the Coastal Commission has final authority over matters, it is far from the truth. Just Google, California Costal Commission ruling overturned. Here is 1 such instance very recently that removed financial protection from the Commission when they mis-step. Kassouni Law Prompts Court Decision Changing California Constitutional Property Rights Law
    Posted August 26, 2013 by Timothy V. Kassouni & filed under Appeals, Appellate, California Coastal Commission, Constitutional Property Rights, Development Law, Land Use Law, Sacramento Land Use Lawyers.

    Lockaway Storage, Dublin, CA
    San Francisco, CA August 26, 2013

    On August 21, 2013 the California Supreme Court let stand a precedent setting, landmark property rights decision issued by the Court of Appeal which has changed property rights law. Business and property owners now have added Constitutional protection from project development delays and overzealous government regulation, signaling a new judicial shift.

    The Court of Appeal in Lockaway v. County of Alameda changed California law by holding that the government has no immunity for erroneous decisions and must pay for delays or bans on economic use of property, pursuant to the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution. The Court of Appeal decision overturned a California Supreme Court case from 1998, Landgate v. California Coastal Commission, which previously granted regulatory agencies immunity for delays during the development process. Since Landgate, the agencies tasked with serving Californians were given free rein to delay and outright ban development projects with little if any consequence.

    The California Coastal Commission, California State Lands Commission, League of California Cities, and California State Association of Counties joined the County of Alameda in seeking to overturn the Court of Appeal decision. In denying review, the judiciary has sent a message that public agencies will be held accountable and responsible to the public.

    Lockaway, an independent Bay Area business, had been at odds with the County of Alameda for ten years over its permit to build a storage facility. Delays resulting from the County’s erroneous application of a growth control initiative precluded the business from generating a return on its investment for several years.

    In a scathing decision the Court of Appeal chastised the County for ignoring law which would have allowed Lockaway’s facility to be built without delays. Characterizing the County’s arguments as convoluted “nonsense” the Court upheld all damages and attorney’s fees.

    Lockaway’s attorney Timothy Kassouni is quoted as saying: “Lockaway owners Michael Shaw and Michael Garrity never wavered in their commitment to seek just compensation for the County’s conduct, and sought this precedent to give fellow Californians a safeguard against government abuse in the development process. We are pleased that the California Supreme Court has let stand this important decision.”

    Further information regarding Lockaway Storage v. County of Alameda can be found at

    Read the County of Alameda’s Petition for Review

    Tags: Constitutional property rights, land use lawyers, Landgate overturned, Lockaway, Lockaway v. County of Alameda, property rights, Property Rights Attorneys, property rights lawyers

    (12) 16 Total Votes - 14 up - 2 down
    • slophocles says:

      Have you and mbactivist1 ever heard of the “Three-Paragraph Essay”? Look it up on Wikipedia. Please.

      (-7) 11 Total Votes - 2 up - 9 down
  7. mbactivist1 says:

    For those, like probiz, who appear to think the latest WWTP estimates are realistic and/or cast in concrete, here is some information I believe will be enlightening.

    About a year ago, I made contact with the WWTP project manager in a little town in Virginia. This town, like ours, had run into trouble on their WWTP project. it appeared that the plant would cost way more than they expected.

    They had started their project 2004, not long after we started ours. They had hired people to do a design, which was completed in 2012. Does this sound at least somewhat familiar?

    Their consultant had told them the plant, as designed, would cost about $20 million. WRONG. They put the construction project out to bid, and the lowest bid that came in was over $31 million. Not good. They couldn’t afford that.

    So, they decided to try a new approach and challenge the engineering companies to come up with innovative solutions that would give them a quality plant that would meet their capacity needs and the requirements of regulatory agencies, AND would not cost more than what they could afford to spend. They issued a Request for information ( RFI) and asked for just that.

    In their RFI, they asked for innovative ideas to meet their specific needs and criteria. They made it clear that, while they had a design, they are not married to it, and would consider other approaches.

    Lo and behold, they got several serious proposals, all from highly-respected engineering companies with excellent track records building WWTP’s. From the proposals, they learned about the design/build approach, where one contractor handles the whole project, and about public/private financing.

    Last time I heard from my contact, just a few months ago, they had decided to go with an engineering and construction team that is going to build them the plant they want for many millions less than the previous low bid that had been over $31 million.

    Here is a quote from my contact: “I can say that this approach will have saved our small Town millions of dollars over the traditional design-bid-build approach.”

    So, what is the moral of this story? In short, do not let the engineering companies dictate to you what your price will be. Give them a price and your requirements for the plant, and make them come up with innovative ways to meet those requirements.

    Let me also share some wisdom from a contact in another California town. Find a company that uses the design/build method, and a modular approach to plant construction. They are rare, but such companies do exist.

    This way of doing business is very different from the traditional (and lucrative) business model of most engineering design firms. Although the comparison is not exact – the difference can be fairly-well illustrated by comparing modular housing versus “stick built” homes.

    The idea is that you don’t need to start out at “ground zero” and re-invent the wheel, because the basic modules needed to put together a WWTP are already designed. Building the plant is simply a matter of assembling and combining pre-designed modules in the way that meets the client’s performance criteria.

    Standard components are simply combined in a custom way. This is why a few companies can and will deliver a superior product for way less money. Performance is also enhanced because the modules, having been used before, have been well tested and their performance has already been fine tuned.

    This approach wreaks havoc on the comfortable world of WWTP engineering design firms, which rely on the less-efficient design-bid-build process to maximize their revenues. With their old-style method, first, you hire someone to design a plant – from ground zero, little piece by little piece. Then, you put the project out to bid. Then you hire someone to build the plant, There is MUCH more money to be made by the engineering firms using this method, and more firms get a “piece of the action”. These firms essentially play “musical chairs” all over the state. They make a lot of money, and their customers lose.

    So, like I said and my engineer friend said, those latest WWTP estimates are way high, and there are ways to get an excellent-quality plant for way, way less money if we work smart. We cannot afford to accept the b.s. of the engineering firms that are primarily out to maximize their profits at our expense – something that is not necessarily evil, and is a pretty typical business model, but is not in OUR best interests.

    Just like that little town back east, if we play our cards right, we can have the plant we want for a lot less money.

    (-11) 19 Total Votes - 4 up - 15 down
    • probiz says:

      1. What was the final cost? 2. What happened to the solution of investing in our existing WWTP that would have brought it into compliance and provided about another 20 years service? If I recall correctly your faction screamed like Banshees because they were married to moving it from the coast? 3. What is the City. I would love to do my own independent research to see how that all ended up. Forgive me for not trusting a word that you say/write.

      (8) 12 Total Votes - 10 up - 2 down
      • mbactivist1 says:

        You can’t bring it into compliance when compliance means it cannot be on the beach.

        (-9) 13 Total Votes - 2 up - 11 down
        • probiz says:

          There is an appeal process and the CCC is subject to having their rulings overturned. More misinformation.

          (8) 12 Total Votes - 10 up - 2 down
    • probiz says:

      And the thing that you don’t seem to understand, it is far more than the cost of the plant itself. You must acquire the property for the new plant. You must acquire the property for the pump stations and lift stations. You must mitigate evnironmental impacts. You must have reserves set aside for lawsuits from property owners in the area around the proposed plants due to the impact on their properties. You must pay for the pump stations and lift stations as well as other construction needed to pump the waste to the new location when that is already in place for the existing location. That is an unavoidable expense. If you can create a new, cheaper, more effecient design, do it at the existing site and save the money of all other things noted above. I don’t think anyone is tied to a design but does not want to spend the extra money needed to make the move. Nice try though.

      (7) 9 Total Votes - 8 up - 1 down
      • probiz says:

        And no, desgin/build is not rare. Very common engineering/construction method. Nice try again.

        (6) 8 Total Votes - 7 up - 1 down
        • probiz says:

          And design/build has nothing to do with the costs to acquire property needed and build the system to pump to the new location. That is a cost that is absent from the existing location.

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          • probiz says:

            And no, design/build is not modular like manufactured homes. Totally wrong once again. “Design–build (or design/build, and abbreviated D–B or D/B accordingly) is a project delivery system used in the construction industry. It is a method to deliver a project in which the design and construction services are contracted by a single entity known as the design–builder or design–build contractor. In contrast to “design–bid–build” (or “design–tender”), design–build relies on a single point of responsibility contract and is used to minimize risks for the project owner and to reduce the delivery schedule by overlapping the design phase and construction phase of a project. “DB with its single point responsibility carries the clearest contractual remedies for the clients because the DB contractor will be responsible for all of the work on the project, regardless of the nature of the fault”.[1]

            The traditional approach for construction projects consists of the appointment of a designer on one side, and the appointment of a contractor on the other side. The design–build procurement route changes the traditional sequence of work. It answers the client’s wishes for a single-point of responsibility in an attempt to reduce risks and overall costs. It is now commonly used in many countries and forms of contracts are widely available.

            Design–build is sometimes compared to the “master builder” approach, one of the oldest forms of construction procedure. Comparing design–build to the traditional method of procurement, the authors of “Design-build Contracting Handbook” noted that: “from a historical perspective the so-called traditional approach is actually a very recent concept, only being in use approximately 150 years. In contrast, the design–build concept–also known as the “master builder” concept—as been reported as being in use for over four millennia.”[2]

            Although the Design-Build Institute of America (DBIA) takes the position that design–build can be led by a contractor, a designer, a developer or a joint venture, as long as a the design–build entity holds a single contract for both design and construction, some architects have suggested that architect-led design–build is a specific approach to design–build.

            Contents [hide]
            1 Design–build contractor
            2 Design–build institutes
            3 Debate on the merits of design–build vs. design–bid–build
            4 Growth of design–build method
            5 Criticisms of design–build
            6 References
            7 External links ” From wikipedia.

            (4) 8 Total Votes - 6 up - 2 down
            • Spork says:

              probiz stop replying to yourself,thread capping etc.
              The last word is not available.

              ? or !

              (-6) 14 Total Votes - 4 up - 10 down
            • mbactivist1 says:

              Probiz, you need to read more carefully, note my statement, “Find a company that uses the design/build method, and a modular approach to plant construction.” I did not say that design/build was like building modular homes. It is clear from my statement that I am talking about TWO separate capabilities that a desirable engineering firm wouild have. Notice my use of the word “and”. This means that ideally, we would find a company that can offer both.

              (-5) 11 Total Votes - 3 up - 8 down
              • probiz says:

                Here is your quote. You said it, not me, and it is not true. “Although the comparison is not exact – the difference can be fairly-well illustrated by comparing modular housing versus “stick built” homes.”

                (2) 8 Total Votes - 5 up - 3 down
                • mbactivist1 says:

                  No, here is the full quote:

                  “Let me also share some wisdom from a contact in another California town. Find a company that uses the design/build method, and a modular approach to plant construction. They are rare, but such companies do exist.

                  This way of doing business is very different from the traditional (and lucrative) business model of most engineering design firms. Although the comparison is not exact – the difference can be fairly-well illustrated by comparing modular housing versus “stick built” homes. ”

                  Note that the second paragraph refers back to the first, and is clearly talking about “a modular approach to plant construction”. Please read carefully before taking issue with people’s posts.

                  (-5) 11 Total Votes - 3 up - 8 down
      • mbactivist1 says:

        Probiz, you seem to be getting very stressed out about this. Yes, we do fully understand about acquiring property. We also understand that using a technology that can fit on a smaller footprint could be very helpful in containing costs.

        Yes, around here, design/build IS pretty rare. Our local companies seem to prefer design/bid/build because it maximizes their profits.

        That said, I am pleased, however, to see that you appear to have done some research to learn more about the design/build process.

        (-2) 8 Total Votes - 3 up - 5 down
        • probiz says:

          No, you are the one that is stressed and you have done nothing to answer any of the questions. No, design build is not rare, it is performed by all of the companies in the water treatment plant business. Carollo, CDM Smith, Brown and Caldwell and many more. It is not similar to manufactured housing in the least. Design/bid/build is not prefered because it maximizes profits, it is more expensive because you have 2 or more organizations involved in the financial responsibility of the project. In design/build the design and contruction are the responsibility of 1 firm. In design/bid/build you start with a company doing design, put the desgin out for bid to construction firms, hire the construction firms to do the work and the design firm often manages the project for the owner (think City of Morro Bay) in this instance. It is more expensive due to duplication of efforts by more than 1 company. Also, if changes need to be made, the red tape of working between the 2 companies is problematic and more expensive. The industry is shifting as design/build is a newer method but all of the big players have the ability. There is no reason to hire a local firm for this. In fact, I think ESA was involved in some of this to this point. They are far from a “local firm.” Your misinformation is disturbing. I know a little bit about this subject (not anywhere near an expert) and that gives me enogh information to know that what you are claiming lacks any accuracy.

          (3) 9 Total Votes - 6 up - 3 down
    • probiz says:

      You are still only addressing the cost of the plant itself. You are failing to address the cost of infrastructure to the new plant and acquisition of property needed for the plant, pump stations and lift stations. If a modular plant is a solution, it is a solution at the current location that will save money there as well. The majority of the difference in the cost is due to the new locations. $38 million vs. $100 million. If you can cut the cost of the plant using the modular method it applies at both places leaving the other costs the same. Your agenda to move the plant is the issue.

      (2) 6 Total Votes - 4 up - 2 down
    • coco says:

      mbactivist1 – Wow very interesting information.
      I think Bill Peirce is off his rocker.
      When he was a councilman I heard the that he often fell asleep when he was on the
      Morro Bay City Council, and yes that is true someone said he started to snore,
      and he almost fell off his chair then Mayor almost fell off her chair trying to help him not
      fall off his chair.
      Bill Peirce just has a problem with getting his facts straight.
      Maybe Bill Peirce should take another nap.

      (-6) 10 Total Votes - 2 up - 8 down
      • Honor says:

        Coco…love how you defame people with rumors; that displays so much class! If any council person fell asleep during a meeting it would be reported in all the news outlets. If he were snoring or falling out of his chair, it would be on uTube. If anyone has a problem getting their facts straight, it seems to be you. Plus what does this have to do with the waste water plant? “I heard…,someone said…” has about as much credibility as Richard Nixon claiming he was not a crook.

        (2) 4 Total Votes - 3 up - 1 down
  8. Rambunctious says:

    The waste water plant stuff is above my pay grade but I don’t think I can remember a time when the current Morro Bay waste water plant has spilled untreated waste water into the ocean. On first glance one would think moving it inland would be safer for our waters. But I do recall (no pun intended) the CMC waste water overflows affecting our coast more times than is acceptable. So…..How far inland are we talking?

    (4) 10 Total Votes - 7 up - 3 down
    • R.Hodin says:

      The current plant just screens out the floaters and pumps the rest out to the ocean. You call that “treatment?”

      (-2) 6 Total Votes - 2 up - 4 down
      • Rambunctious says:

        R.Hodin You know that is not true so why do you post that? Screens out the floaters and dumps the rest into the ocean????that is an untruth. I do believe we need a new plant but to make stuff up so you get the plant you want is not only wrong it’s counter productive.

        (1) 5 Total Votes - 3 up - 2 down
  9. probiz says:

    This question is for those like Ms. Winholz that keep claiming that the Costal Commission would never approve the Water Treatment Plant. With 7 years already invested and a potential cost savings of somewhere between $60 and $110 million dollars, why would anyone not play out that avenue before moving onto another site? The cost vs. potential savings is dramatic. That is also very much an anti-business decision. The increased costs to each household and business in Morro Bay provides less disposable income to spend at our local businesses limiting growth of the business and new jobs.

    (6) 20 Total Votes - 13 up - 7 down
    • mbactivist1 says:

      “Why would anyone not play out that avenue”? Because it would be another huge waste of taxpayer money. The CCC will not let the plant be built at the beach, period. That project was done in 2010, and even before, when we found out about the flooding issues.

      The site at the beach, subject to ocean storms and in a 100-year flood zone, is and always was a really dumb place for a WWTP, but far dumber now that we are already seeing the effects of sea level rise.

      How much do you think it would cost taxpayers when the plant was inundated and had to be relocated anyway after a disastrous flooding event? Would a non-functioning sewer plant be good for business? Of course not. The whole town would be uninhabitable.

      Claiming that those who have the good sense to recognize that the plant must be moved are anti-business is just plain silly. We all want our local businesses to thrive. what we don’t want is a sewer plant that is going to fail long before its time because it was built in an unsafe location.

      As for the costs, an engineer friend of mine says the initial cost figures from the new report are very much over-stated, and that the plant will cost much less if the project is well-managed and we get the right contractors. Who are the right contractors? Well, they are certainly NOT the cronies of the local old/boy old/girl network. We’ve wasted far too much money as a result of their foulups.

      (-7) 17 Total Votes - 5 up - 12 down
      • probiz says:

        Wrong on most accounts. Engineering has the ability to overcome those threats in design and constructions. Sea Level rise is nothing new. Just another liberal talking point. The seas have been rising since the ice age. As far as your engineer friend, how can he possibly have taken the time, had access to the properties, know the costs and prepare an estimate better than the consulting firms hired by the city? Are they wrong and your friend that has done none of the due diligence on the work more qualified than they are? It is that type of stupid logic that has created the problems in this town. You honestly think that your friend having done none of the EIRs or engineer studies can guess at costs better than companies that have invested time, energy, resources and expertise? Just foolish, but I am not surprised in the least.

        (7) 17 Total Votes - 12 up - 5 down
        • mbactivist1 says:

          No, Probiz, I am not wrong on any of those points, although clearly, you would like people to think so.

          No one should take the latest estimates as gospel. It is well known that engineering firms do not want to get in trouble later if their estimates are exceeded, so they estimate high to cover themselves. Also, there is the fact that our local firms all work together to help each other make as much money as possible.

          And yes, my engineer friend has far more experience and expertise than the people who did the work – and he has no vested interest in running up the costs, so his estimates are far more reliable.

          (-2) 12 Total Votes - 5 up - 7 down
          • racket says:


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            • givemeabreak2 says:

              Snap! You got ’em again, racket. Snap!

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          • probiz says:

            You are the most effective tool that the recall effort can possibly have. Your statements reflect no understanding of the issue or the impact of the decisions. Your friend has no way to gather estimates for that work at any of the sites. He cannot estimate the cost of the property needing to be acquired until he has preliminary design plans. Property is needed for the plant as well as Lift Stations and Pump Stations. Roads need to be torn up to install pipes. Until he looks at the EIR’s he has no idea what cost will be for things needed to mitigate environmental impact. There is cost of labor, cost of materials and more. If he has any experience he would tell you that an estimate on a project like this takes hundreds of hours of work.

            Then there is the issue of most public works projects. When have you seen 1 that has come in under budget.

            “Our local firms all work together?” What a unique concept. Companies understanding the benefits of synergy to improve business profits. By the way, if you look at the engineering firms that have prepared these studies, they are not local.

            Your Communist feelings about profits makes your entire point of view understandable. How many unprofitable companies provide jobs for a prolonged period.

            (0) 12 Total Votes - 6 up - 6 down
            • Dapperman says:

              Hey probiz, I appreciate your points, but, please, leave out the liberals vs. conservs, communist labels, etc.
              Weather you’re right or left is meaningless.

              (5) 11 Total Votes - 8 up - 3 down
            • slophocles says:

              Don’t listen to Dapperman, probiz. That’s good stuff.

              (-3) 7 Total Votes - 2 up - 5 down
      • Kalalau says:

        YOU have been a huge waste of taxpayer money….YOU are the obstructionist…and YOU are costing the taxpayers, property owners, hard working business owners….out of their ability to continue to thrive and live in this beautiful town that we love. And I believe (just guessing) that YOU don’t even own your own home here, or pay property taxes…and probably don’t even have to pay your water/sewer bill. So…you don’t mind costing OTHERS to pay for all that you want. Reasonable folks wish the best for their town…and are certainly willing to contribute what they can within their means in one way or another. Reasonable folks also understand that not everyone in town can afford a huge hike in water/sewer bills. We need to be cognizant of the fact that we have handicapped and disabled folks who live in our town as well as retired fixed income folks who are treasures in one way or another and enhance the quality of all our lives….and they certainly will not be able to afford $200 a month or more water/sewer bills.

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        • mbactivist1 says:

          Wrong, as usual. I do own a home and pay substantial property taxes, AND I am retired AND physically disabled AND on a fixed income.

          And yes, I worked hard for many, many years when I was younger, so I know what that is about.

          I do not want high bills, but I also do not want the sewer plant to be inundated and put out of commission, which would make the town uninhabitable. I want what is right for the town in the short and long terms, and that means doing things right the first time.

          No one with any common sense whatsoever builds a sewer plant in a flood zone and on the beach. That is just plain dumb.

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    • givemeabreak2 says:

      And, if you get it too clean and good-smelling down there, they might build some toorist attraction, and i HATE toorists!

      (1) 1 Total Votes - 1 up - 0 down
    • Myself says:

      The CMC plant has/is the dirtiest sewer plant on the coast,temps in the creek are above what normal creek water should be,raw sewage at times has gotten into the creek,and even now with answer modern plant they still have problems,I ha d3 state inspectors stand there and tell me one time how clean that old plant was,I told them what I knew and they walked off. I see no reason to move the existing plant for Morro, I have put in print here a couple times of the excess costs going up Hwy 1 and some people just don’t understand that its a cost that MB cannot afford. Now if a tsnami were to hit the plant where it is,that would be the least of our problems, that would amount to a drip in a 10 gallon milk can,the real problem is the whole area from Golden Tee all the way to the north end of Cayucos would not be what it is today,it would be GONE, And the serer lines would be ripped up all, along the coast the lines on the Embarcardo to the plant and the lines from Cayucos along Hwy 1 would be ripped out of the ground so what good is moving the plant when the infrastructer is gone going to do. Then the left leaners whine about the view if it is to be rebuilt where it is now,WHAT view the only place you can see it from is Hwy 1 and you don’t belong taking your eyes off the road to look over there anyway.
      For the Mayer to have attempted to let two key people go at the same time for no reason,you can bet there is a reason, is totally stupid, he has something else on his mind.

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