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“Occupy Wall Street” continues in SLO

October 6, 2011

The increasingly popular “Occupy Wall Street” movement hit San Luis Obispo on Wednesday as about 50 protesters gathered near the intersections of Santa Rosa and Monterey streets to protest against income inequality and corporate greed.

Many of the protesters plan to meet today at 5 p.m. in front of the county courthouse with a march planned through San Luis Obispo’s Farmers’ Market at 6 p.m.

Over the past few weeks, “Occupy Wall Street” protestors have captured the nation’s attention as they continue to protest despite hundreds of arrests including eight in Santa Barbara.

 


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No meeting of the minds (anywhere)”

On the high end, there is no transparency (of course not-“”they got the power”” to even control thoughts via media)

On the low end, they know something ain’t right, they just can’t pin point it and made to look like some infantile movements (good luck-keep upt the good work for sake of our prosperity).


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This is very true, more so than I think people realize. “Something isn’t right”. We all know it but it seems to be coming from so many directions. The corruption has become insurmountable. I really don’t know what to do except to replace our government or like MaryMalone said, give them a good scare. I will be voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I don’t really think he can win but it can surely mess with the Dem’s and Reps.


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Mike Malloy just reported from Wash, DC., from the front lines there. He stated the goal of the movement is simple, STOP CORPORATE OWNERSHIP which means stop the domination of our lives (economics, politics, health care etc) by the corporations. Simple, accurate and right on. We may always have corporations and many of them are beneficial-but they have achieved a level of superiority and power that is counter productive to our democracy. We don’t elect them yet they hold much of the power, with the ability to sway elections and public policy. That is ghastly and breeds corruption. Only one of the elite or a fool would want that for our country.


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Best line of the day (from a OWS sign)


“I will support corporate personhood the day I see one hang in Texas”


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enron


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Well put, right on the mark.


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I’m trying to decide between organizing an “Occupy Pozo” or “Occupy Harmony” protest. I’m leaning towards Harmony because I’m pretty sure everyone in Pozo is armed to the teeth.


Who’s with me?!!!


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Steve Jobs says to meet him for an occupation on The Thirteenth Floor…


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Wow… where do you begin?


This is a manufactured movement… a movement where nothing but gripes are loosely articulated. The ‘hope’ is to get a lot of dissatisfied together… and when all are frustrated point them toward a new utopia.


The interesting thing is to watch how easily these folks are manipulated to rant all the discredited economic theories that have destroyed many a country’s economy. Funny how so many of them think the government is the job creator and that banks are the folks who are standing in the way. It amuses me that folks who protest the various economic endeavors in our country don’t see the correlation between the loss of these jobs and the eventual loss of their own. After all, one needs a vibrant economy to support all the artists, public employees, SSI recipients that we see out there protesting.


Funny, how so many media outlets stress the ‘local’ folks in the protest… but tough to point them out.


These folks and their followers offer no future other than the elimination of our system… and the rights of the individual. With these guys in charge, a Steve Jobs would never make it out of his garage.


Yeah, always interesting to see who the cat ladies support…. and the men who love them.


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As usual, you have no CLUE what you are talking about. A large part of this movement is made up of anarchocapitalists and people who support ending the federal reserve and freeing up the market from onerous regulations. A lot of the people are socialists, as well.. But ultimately their interests will come together and the common views will be the ones to come out of this. And those common views are simple – no more bailouts of corporations (which inhibit market corrections) and no more military actions all over the world. Two very good causes.


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I think you just made Rogers point. If they are for free markets than they are being manipulated by socialists/communists and supporting those they disagree with!


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How are they being manipulated by socialist/communists.. They are not in control of the movement. What I’m saying is that there are some common causes between disparate groups.


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From the Communist Party USA web site (complete with grammar and spelling errors)


“Currently, 25 millions workers are looking for full time work and that figure hasn’t changes since 2008. So what to do?


We know that the country can’t rely on the private sector; it is sitting on over two trillion dollars in investable capital now.


Nor can we rely on a burst of consumer spending; working people are working off accumulated debt.


Thus we have to turn to government to create jobs.


Two weeks ago President Obama introduced the American Jobs Act to a joint session of Congress. It is sure to meet stiff resistance from the Republicans in Congress. A massive outcry of millions of American people insisting on the Act’s passage is necessary.


America Wants to Work (AFL-CIO) in alliance with many community and activist organizations including Moveon.org are organizing a week of actions Oct. 10-16 demanding jobs. Thousands of grassroots actions, marches, vigils, delegations and speak-outs are being planned in cities and neighborhoods across the country.”


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mkaney: “ no more bailouts of corporations (which inhibit market corrections) and no more military actions all over the world. Two very good causes.”


And these are two bedrock libertarian views as well.


The Occupy Wall Street action is about freedom. Freedom from economic tyranny, freedom from party tyranny. I encourage everyone to do a little homework on this instead of getting their info from the news or political party machines.


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I agree. The members have a wide array of concerns.


I see them/us as the 99% who are sacrificed by our government so that the 1% uber-rich can continue to increase their wealth at our expense.


They/we just want to be represented by the government we pay for. For me, I welcome those who have sub-issues that are contrary to mine. If our government represents truly represents us, that will be sorted out.


Right now, there is only one group who is being represented by our government: the uber-rich. I, and I believe others, want that to change.


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I just hope no naive person wandered onto the site and actually takes your words as indicating anything real on this planet. You are so off base it is astounding. Your gods (beck, limbag and the cookie bros) have really gotten to your mind, and convinced you to promote ideas counter to your own well being. You have been infected…


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Thinking people would never take him seriously. He’s just another pawn.


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rogergermanname, “The elimination of our system””?!

Are you crazy? If we could just go back to the eight years of Clinton, that would be nice. Remember the record surpluses and no troops lost? Or the eight years of JFK and LBJ which were the best since FDR.

It’s George W. Bush’s and the tea partiers’ policies which would eliminate our system.

Today, 80% of the people control only 7% of the financial wealth. 1% control 42%. Hasn’t been this bad since the trickle-down and deregulation of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover, 3 Republicans.


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LOL you seem to have forgotten about Vietnam. Lets talk about JFK who lowered taxes and it took world war 2 to get us out of the hole FDR created. The man had 15 years and didn’t fix anthing everything he d

id was wrong and Obama has followed suit.


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This is such a weak attempt to accomplish what the TEA Party has done. Remember, it’s Taxed Enough Already and a dedicated grass roots effort to raise awareness.


The dem’s in usual fashion show up in fancy shoes a day late. I wonder if the 8 henious protesters from Santa Barbara made bail yet after calling and reminding the police they were going to arrest them? Such a joke.


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“In 1958, Fred Koch became one of the original members of the John Birch Society, the arch-conservative group known, in part, for a highly skeptical view of governance and for spreading fears of a Communist takeover. Members considered President Dwight D. Eisenhower to be a Communist agent. In a self-published book, Koch claimed that “the Communists have infiltrated both the Democrat and Republican Parties.” He wrote admiringly of Benito Mussolini’s suppression of Communists in Italy, and disparagingly of the American civil-rights movement. “The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America,” he warned. Welfare was a secret plot to attract rural blacks to cities, where they would foment “a vicious race war.” In a 1963 speech that prefigures the Tea Party’s talk of a secret socialist plot, Koch predicted that Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the President is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.”


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One of my favorite links.


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This is not about the Dems, in fact the Dems had nothing to do with starting the OWS action. Just like the Repugs & Faux moved in to take the spark of the tea party movement, the Dems & MoveOn (and yes, even the major union power brokers) are trying to co-opt the raw power that the Occupy Wall Street action has generated. This is about people, and about freedom. Simple enough that even a tea partier could understand, if they weren’t so concerned about their little individual piles of funny money.


Do you want to see a broad-based and inclusive grassroots movement for freedom die, or are you comfortable wearing the yoke, velvet or otherwise, which a totally corrupted Wall Street & Washington represent?


The choice is yours. To do nothing is to support the oppressors.


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Are you kidding, the tea bags are the soldiers fighting for the wealthy, they are out there working so Wall Street can keep it’s hold on the rest of us. I know that the Occupy is all inclusive but IMO their movement is the polar opposite of the baggers.


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WRONG. The baggers had a very limited agenda, and were highly partisan. They welcomed corporatists like the Koch brothers to ferry them around to their staged events in buses. Guess what? The when the Koch-funded buses stopped, the bagger events stopped. They also welcomed politicians to define their movement.


The baggers have been successful in influencing the elections of inexperienced, narrow-minded politicians to office. Great, just another, more extreme Republican.


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Well, everyone has a choice and you can go to this or any other protest. I just encourage anyone going or supporting to know who you are supporting, Just know that this movement (Occupy Wall Street) and now all the little uprisings is being sponsored by the UNIONS, The Occupy Wall Street group is sponsored by the United Auto Workers (they just all got raises), the Move On. org which is Obama’s re-election orgranization, ACLU, Firefighters Union, Teacher’s Union, etc. Check it, the majority of the protestors in New York are being paid by the unions. I checked it out the other day when I start Tom Comar, our local ” Union Organizer” protesting in front of McCarthy’s office. Go protest, just know who you are joining and what the hidden agency is. This is their movement to counter the Tea Party.


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You can spin it anyway you want, that’s what’s great about this country.


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The tea baggers started off being bought and paid for by big money ie Koch bros, Murdoch etc. Faux sent money and the media to send out propaganda right from the start. This started off as a true grass roots movement. The unions have only jumped in during the last day or two. They joined in because they are the 99%, they work and stand up for the blue collar working people.


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You are so wrong, but that is OK, you can think what you want. At least the Tea Party had a mission and was honest upfront about their goal – SMALLER GOVERNMENT equal taxation. If I make a dollar I pay the same tax as you. If you taxed the 1% in this Country 100% for a year you wouldn’t even touch the amount of money Obama has flushed to the unions and this green energy shame. Check the White House visitors list and you will see most of the CEO’s of the banks going to the White House for meetings. I find it interesting that when Wall Street starting pulling away from Obama in the upcoming election (they run a full page ad in the Wall Street about it) that all these protestors come crawling out of the sewers – paid protestors that can’t even talk to the press because they are not informed enough to know why they are there. I’m going to do what Greiter, Holder and the other bums do and forget to pay my taxes or start cheating. It worked for them. Can anyone tell me why Mr. Mrs. Obama, both lawyers, do not belong to any State bar? They are not lawyers, only have the degree not the certificate, for good reason… Check it out, interesting! I say send him back to unionland, Chicago.


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“Can anyone tell me why Mr. Mrs. Obama, both lawyers, do not belong to any State bar? They are not lawyers, only have the degree not the certificate, for good reason”


LOL oh my you must be kidding me. The birthers lost the first round, here they go again. That really sounds so birtherish. Okay, I’ll go for it,,,and what would that ‘good reason’ be? Oh this is rich. Is it because he’s one of them thar Muslim people, is he in the mob? Oh please do tell.


Who paid for those big fancy buses and motor homes that the Tea Bags had right from the start when they started their movement {cough Koch cough cough}? Faux was there promoting large rallies for them, Beck Palin, Hanity. As a matter of fact I remember something about insHanity dishing out some bucks for the bags. And equal taxation! What a joke, that is so not what the bags are fighting for. Why is it when Obama tries to raise tax rates for the wealthy to the percentage that we pay do the they all go postal? There is no equality regarding the tea bags and taxes. Remember, the wealthy are the job creators, we can’t raise their rates (BTW how’s that job creating thing working for ya?).


There are plenty of people that know what their talking about at the 99% rallies, you’re just brainwashed from watching or/and reading too much con media.


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They aren’t practicing law. As far as the wealthy creating Jobs? Have you ever driven through any town? Look at almost every business. Are those all made by the wealthy? Nope. Look at the Big stores, they are TAKING jobs.


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Listen, I vote for the idiot. I just have buyers regret and am not happy. I am not raciest, and I say STICK THAT REFERENCE WHERE IS REALLY BELONGS and shame on anyone that uses that agrument because we disagree with his practices. Understand my thoughts on this: I am a Democrat, I voted for change I could believe in, I was proud to vote for a person of color, I had confidence in him regardless of what family and friends were telling me. Now, I see lies, sell outs, fraud, backrooms deals, deals and money for unions, telling us about banks/financial institutions using us as he caters to them for his election support, gun deals to mexico so he can come back and with control for the NRA, deals with taxpayers money that protect the private sector and not the taxpaters (the latest solor plant but there have been several others), stimulas money(that is gone) for shovel ready projects that he laughs as saying they weren’t as ready as he thought, the scam on the GM motors transaction where he stated the taxpayers would be protected (we aren’t) as the workers all just got $5000 a year “sign on” bonusper year for 5 years for working (alot of people would have loved those jobs/pay without the bonus, and best of all, instead of being a leader and leading this Country he is not looking to divide and conquer. Yes, I helped create this mess…


Now, please can you tell me why they are not lawyers???


AND DO NOT USE THE RACE CARD ON ME BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG!


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I didn’t use the race card. But please don’t start up a new rediculous conspiracy to use against the Obamas. You must understand that like the brithers if there was really anything to this it would have been all over the GOP debates and the right would be on it like hyenas on a kill. Although I’m disappointed in a lot of Obama’s decisions, he’s a good man. He loves his family, he doesn’t have any skeletons in his closet. Even though many of us don’t agree with Obama, he’s doing what he feels is best for the country. That being said he is a politician and I’m sure that special interest groups have some influence over him. But this lawyer thing is not the type of issue we should be focused on.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp


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I’ll give you the lawyer thing. I agree he might be a good man. I actually think George W Bush and daddy Bush were “good men”. Jimmy Carter was a good man. That does not make them qualified to be a good President. Obama is not taking us in the right direction and I will do everything ethnically correct to help not to re-elect him. I like you, probably love this Counrty to much to condemn the Steve Job’s of the World for their success and hard work because spending cannot be controlled by our government. Just look around you and see in our little county and the misspending, illegal spending, fraud spending, etc. That every county in this county and now you know why we are in trouble. No matter who is President – Fix the problem which is what I thought we were doing when Obama was elected. He is worst than the rest because he stood and his platform of change. Are you enjoying that change?? Not me!


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Speaking of wrong…


SLOBIRD says:

“Can anyone tell me why Mr. Mrs. Obama, both lawyers, do not belong to any State bar? They are not lawyers, only have the degree not the certificate, for good reason… Check it out”


Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was the president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004.


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Oh Noes Chicago!


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Actually, Obama “retired” his license because he longer feels he needs onet and Michele’s is “voluntary inactive”. And be the way, I do feel he was born in the U.S.A. Just saying…


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Amazing. If being an idiot was illegal….. If spreading lies like Eichmann did was illegal……

The unions were actually late to join in, they didn’t start this. Your childish right wing rant will surely put you in good stead with your corporate masters.

I think the movement will win. And like the tantrum prone Roger we will take you in, you are one of us. Like a spoiled brat who knows nothing but his own immediate desires we will let you off the hook, and take you in.

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could all take a stand and be bound to rise or fall based on our stand and the results of the struggle? But that is not the case, we all rise or fall no matter which side we join, depending on if the evil corporate bosses win, or the people win. I’m with the latter, all the way.


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It’s really interesting to see on this board who the tools really are! Obama see’s his reelection slipping, spreads lies about taxes creating an atmosphere of class warfare, entices a bunch of useful idiots to go out and protest, then he sends his union buddies to keep them in line, and others even on this board who don’t have a clue how are systems works continue to spred the lies and hate.


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Since you seem unable to spell your language or punctuate correctly one wonders if you went to school at all, and therefore one wonders where you get your info-from beck and limbag? The trolls on this site are very active these days…


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I find it very amusing how upset you baggers are about the the recent joining of the unions to this movement. I love it.


GO UNIONS!!! Keep making them nervous.


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People who belong to unions have a right to support political movements.


moveon.org has been around for long before Obama’s 2008 election.


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The Wall Street occupiers are telling MoveOn to back off, that they don’t want to be a tool of the Democratic Party, or any other party. MoveOn is part of the machine. Occupy Wall Street is about reclaiming power from the corrupt machines.


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I hope that you’re wrong. I feel that anyone or any org should be welcomed.


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Hey everybody look at me I am a loser. What a joke.


BTW What real solutions are these people proposing? More taxes on the middle class? More job killing regulations? More free stuff for the lazy? How do we end corporate greed?


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More taxes for the middle class, job killing reg., free stuff for lazy people. You obviously need to get out and read more, you have no clue. You are another pawn for the wealthy.


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End the federal reserve, no more bailouts of corporations (which inhibits market corrections) and no more pointless wars.. That’s what will come out of this. This is not about free stuff for the lazy and as an anarchocapitalist that is definitely not something I support.


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So, tonight they’re going to march down to Farmer’s Market. I guess they”re protesting all the billionaires who are operating the stands down there. If a picture is as good as a thousand words then these photos say it all.


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Yeah I know what you mean. If I was going to protest against income inequality, I would at least dress like I was out on a job interview! I planned on going to the market anyway and it stopped raining so I think I’ll stop by and ask them to explain all this.


Mr Pete Evan’s, you said (to everybody) to stop by if we disagree and lets talk about it. I’ll be looking for a reasonable explanation. You said this is non-partisan. I hope that includes the parties outside the Dems and Reps because this sure looks Socialist or even maybe Communist to me!


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They’re not protesting the venders at Farmer’s Market. I don’t understand what you mean about the photos.


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“protest against income inequality and corporate greed”


I’m not going to protest against that. Are they socialist? I thought this was about fair taxation. I thought this was about the bail out of the “banksters” and all the breaks that the large corporations receive from the gov while the middle class foots the bill?


Those sign’s say ” we are the 99%.” The 99% means that they are not in the 1% of the wealthiest people in this country, no $hit, so what , somebody has to be in the top 1%. I don’t get this and yes, I saw Michael Moore’s movie Capitalism but I don’t like the way this is being approached. This looks like a socialist ploy to me.


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I found the other 1%:


http://www.sohoblues.com/SoHoBluesBWPortraits/previewpages/preview17.jpg


“1%er” is a label used by outlaw motorcycle clubs since the 60s and is frequently found on rider patches, tattos and elsewhere:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vlYxUyUDDFQ/Tmfnxpo6eWI/AAAAAAAAFlI/Cn0YK4-zdAQ/s400/631818.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nVSrF0LLSCk/Smz1zgr-kyI/AAAAAAAAA9A/fDXp5XPJFjs/s400/8b4b_1.JPG


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Kevin have a beer


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That one is a pretty good commercial.


I prefer:

http://thehelplessdancer.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/guinnesspint.jpg


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Arak


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god Cindy, I thought you were smarter, and more caring than your post indicates. This is an ‘open source’ movement and there are many facets and factions, it is a ‘big tent’ gig. If you have narrow interests to the exclusion of all else then maybe you ought to stay home. But if you are telling the truth in your post about what you want then this is for you.

There are plenty of whiners on this site that actively seek to find some little fault here or there, and manufacture them at will. Childish nonsense, look at the big picture. Those who vilify this movement, like that lamebrain Roger, are actually part of it. The 99% are, and always have been, getting screwed by the 1%. Only dupes and fools can deny that.

Duh, there will always be a 1%, but hopefully not this 1%. A kinder, more realistic 1% that actually honors the contributions of all the others, the 99%. Christ, just how much baby pablum will some of the posters here demand to understand these simple concepts? Socialism, christ; how about baby porn, torturing puppies? Anything else you want to accuse these giving, and more intelligent than most, protestors?


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Oh cripe, I just posted that I was going to stop by and talk with Pete Evans about all this. I understand what the 1% is (not the outlaw bikers, the other 1%, very funny SloRider) but the way it’s being reported is vague and like I said, it sounds like a socialist movement. Blame the media.


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We are losing the middle income people, they are becoming poor and it’s happening fast. I feel that most that attend these things are seeing this loss and we are worried. Some blame it on wall street some blame it on the govt., health care, wars etc.. Others feel that wall street is the govt.. Wall Street has bought and paid the govt. and visa versa, it’s getting harder and harder to tell who is running this country, to me it seems like Wall Street is dictating to our govt.. In other words there are numerous reasons that people are mad. There will always be a nut or two in every group but that doesn’t mean that those people represent everyone. Yesterday I saw regular people with genuine concerns, not all the same but valid concerns with a similar tone. That’s my take on it.


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“We are losing the middle income people”.

If there is a top income and a bottom income there is always a middle income.


I think this protest has encompassed ALL grievances now, not just those of the known 99%ers. People are mad as hell; there is a rage, a bitter resentment that is festering just below the surface and this protest is bringing it out. People who have found their voices have gathered peacefully. I may not agree with their every cause but I am totally in support of them speaking out, whatever “grievance” they represent.

I hope it grows.


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Okay, perhaps I should have said middle class. I stopped using that term as it offended someone in this forum. Guess I’m trying to hard to be PC. We are losing our middle class. That does make more sense.


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I think it is purposely vague so as to encompass all of the 99%ers. I don’t understand your point, Cindy, and usually I do.


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Cindy, there is nothing “socialist” about being against the way corporatists and their paid congressional reps have continually worked to destroy the middle class.


Capitalism and socialism are economic theories. Our country has a bit of both. If you think Medicare is a good idea, then you support a socialist economic concept.


I think this movement is probably originating from Ron Paul’s young supporters, who seem to be comprised of a good portion of the pissed-off Obama youth vote from 2008.


I’m for all new tactics to try to break the chokehold the corporatists have on our country.


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No, not Ron Paul, but Obama far left supporters.


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Hate to disagree with both Citizen and Mary – but this doesn’t stem fro Ron Paul or Obama “far left” supporters. Many “far left” supporters are unhappy with Obama for being so enraptured with bipartisanship. – and Ron Paul’s supporters are much too Galt to be rallying for a government that works for all people. They’re the ones who want to drown it in a bath tub.


No. The people in the streets want a country where a guy without a Harvard degree, a silver spoon in his mouth and a trust fund in his pocket can get a job that will allow him to earn what it takes to have a liveable life. Sending 28% of our manufacturing jobs overseas has all but killed that dream, unfortunately.


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beware the Kochtopus seriously


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Zap, I wanted to CCP the most interesting part of that article because I don’t believe that most people open links. But the entire article needs to be read. I did copy the following for those that don’t believe that they are simple pawns for the wealthy and those that don’t believe that the bagger movement originated from big corps. To anyone that might read this, keep in mind that the Kochs are from a long line of fascists, their parents were both cold blooded Nazis that indoctrinated fascism into their kids. I urge everyone to read it.


“The Kochtopus has many arms. According to a report released this month by the Center for American Progress, in 1977, Charles Koch founded the CATO Institute. In 1984, David Koch created Citizens for a Sound Economy, which in 2004 split off into Freedom Works and Americans for Prosperity. The Kochtopus also bankrolls numerous phony grassroots or “Astroturf” groups with seemingly innocuous names that have the words like “citizens” or “Americans” in their names. During the health care debate, one can recall former Republican Speaker of the House Dick Armey roll up in Freedom Works buses at the Tea Party rallies”


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Very well put brook!


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Actually, Brook, it is based in the activities of the Ron Paul for President youth. They anhilated the CPAC conference this year. They were amazing.


I’m a liberal, but I’m not an Obama supporter. I’m not a Ron Paul supporter. Right now, there are no major candidates who I feel are worth my vote.


I think you would be surprised if you read more about what is going on. There are conservatives, liberals, and libertarians involved. They may have different core goals, and each person’s may be different, but the one thing (IMO) they have in common is this: they want our government to stop sacrificing 99% of American citizens so that the 1% of the uber-wealthy can continue to escalate their rate of increasing their wealth.


We just want to be represented by the people we elect. In a so-called “democracy,” that should be a given.


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Behold/Beware : the third position


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Cindy,

This is about changing a society that takes 70 billion dollars from the 99% , many who are unemployed, and gives it to the 1%, who then give themselves bonuses of 254million for a measly years’ work. I(It was hard work, losing all the working stiffs’ 401Ks!)


This is about changing a society that thinks Sarah Palin’s da bomb and ought to run for President; that elects Representatives who refuse to do what is best for the 99% because the 1% owns them; Representatives that would sit on their hands rather than legislate -all to get that “blackman” out of the White House.


Incidentally, it was the Nazi Party that was a “socialist movement”. A “social contract” that requires our government to keep its’ promises on Social Security, Medicare and a reasonable education, to allow equal opportunity to all citizens, is not the same thing at all.


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