Chief Solomon ‘taking some leave’

March 12, 2012

Lisa Solomon

Embattled Paso Robles Police Chief Lisa Solomon “is taking some leave,” City Manager Jim App confirmed Monday.

Solomon’s on-duty sexual behavior, political activities, and improper department policies initiated since her 2007 appointment have been detailed by current and former officers, resulting in widespread news coverage.

Sources told CalCoastNews that Solomon was not in the office Monday morning; did not provide subordinates with a forwarding contact number; and did not have her city-issued vehicle. Those sources also said she would be gone for at least 10 days. That would place her off-duty beyond the next city council meeting slated for March 20.

App, asked if Solomon’s absence could be described as administrative leave, replied in an email, “It is not described as anything. She is taking leave. She left Robert Burton in charge.”


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pasoparent5

KSBY’s reporting that Lisa will return on March 22.

Hope she’s able to sleep in, go the gym and practice karoake in her free time, all on our dime.


danika

I’m guessing she does a lot of “on our dime” activities in lieu of things she is paid to do.


MaryMalone

Well, if it is after the next city council meeting, she may not be returning when she thinks she is, or when she wants others to think she is.


Typoqueen

From the article: “Solomon’s on-duty sexual behavior”


I’m sure that you meant to say ‘Solomon’s *alleged* on-duty sexual behavior’.


Typoqueen

So if you don’t think they should put *allegedly* then you are saying that it’s a fact that she had ‘on-duty sex’. How do you know this to be a fact? Did you have on duty sex with Solomon? Until there is evidence or at least some word from both of the parties involved then it’s simply not right to word it this way. Most media sources would use the term ‘allegedly’.


I don’t want to get into all those other topics, I’m already spending too much time on this. Yes the stuff on Hill was a hack job, they have an axe to grind with Hill and that doesn’t belong here IMO. But does CCN get everything wrong, no, if they did then I wouldn’t even read this stuff. Some of it is good and some is not so good. I will not follow blindly. My opinion on wanting facts on both sides of issues didn’t start here, I’ve always believed in that, I was raised to believe that. In this case I haven’t even heard facts from ANY involved parties on either side of this issue, I’ve only heard gossip (re. sexual harassment), same with the reason for her leave. Fine, that might be good enough for you but it isn’t for me. I don’t care how the Trib makes money, CCN makes money from King and they did a lovey dovey one sided piece on him so lets not go there, there’s no point. Lets stay on topic. The topic is Solomon and sick leave, or what ever kind of leave it might be.


Typoqueen

“The story does not say the chief had on duty sex.”


In the second paragraph:

“Solomon’s on-duty sexual behavior, political activities, and improper department policies initiated since her 2007 appointment have been detailed by current and former officers, resulting in widespread news coverage.”


That whole paragraph is $^#$%$ up but if I were reading this in the LA Times I would expect it to say ‘Solomon’s alleged on-duty sexual behavior’ or a the end I would expect the word ‘detailed’ to be replaced with ‘has been alleged’…


It’s not a rumor that Solomon is on leave, it’s a rumor as to why.


I have never said anything about Hill’s phone call, did you take the same stuff that Mary did? I’m not going to let this degrade to more Hill bashing. Unlike the rest of you, my posts will get taken off if I go off topic, I’m surprised I’ve made it this far in this thread. So please, lets stick to the topic.


I watched the KSBY article BTW, they didn’t say why she’s on leave.


standup

Jeez Typo, give it a rest. No one said she was boinking her officers. It was the private’s grabbing and breast throttling she loves to do. I said it before and I will say it again, I believe the story told by the officers and not some fluzzie who I know is dishonest to the hilt (aka Sign Sensation’s bankruptcy). She may be your sister, aunt, I don’t know but you sure have come up to bat for her and that is admirable considering the facts. Whoops, allegations.


Typoqueen

Yes, I understand, I stepped out of line. Nice to see you thinking for the readers.


How very professional of you.


MaryMalone

Well, KSBY has been a suck-up to solomon from the beginning on these scandals.


They’re good for weather–hopefully. Not good for much else.


Typoqueen

Stay focused, this is about Solomon’s leave. If I had posted this much off topic then my post would have been deleted. This isn’t really fair because I can’t really defend my stance on these things.


MaryMalone

News and politics, without context, is like trying to make sourdough without the starter–it’s just kinda flat.


Citizen

Typo, you don’t know anything about the story , but you try to take over and make the comments about you and your views. Why? For attention?


When the Chief of Police suddenly takes a leave of absence, people in the community have the right to know if this is a personal leave, an administrative leave, a medical leave, or a vacation leave. Either App doesn’t know because he wasn’t informed about the leave beforehand, or he wants to wait to call it something appropriate to a way to ease Solomon out, like disability retirement.


Scarlet

About damn time, too. I feel so bad for the officers who were used by her and are out of a job and struggling.


Crusader

One of two things is now going to happen:


1.) Solomon is going to retire on disability due to “stress.” The only reason I’m not convinced this will happen for certain is that it will make the people of Paso Robles WHITE HOT for App’s hide.


2.) App will try to figure out a way to throw Solomon under the bus and then spin himself as a “hero.” The only reason he hasn’t already done this is that he’s not too sure that he can lift Solomon, much less throw her.


My best guess is that a modified version of the David Edge/Gail WIlcox Soap Opera will play out. Solomon will try the disability route just as App blows-out his spine trying to lift her. The Paso Robles City Council will finally get off their dead backsides and do as little as they have to, as late as they possibly can. It will result in both App and Solomon being paid off replete with a confidentially clause. Stay tuned…


To the residents of Paso Robles: NOW is the time to re-double your efforts!


(FWIW no one accepting the job of chief of police should be allowed a stress-related disability — particularly in a cow town like Paso Robles. It’s an inherently stressful job. If you can’t hack it, don’t freaking apply!)


Dogpound

You people are circling the wagons now….wait, actually this is more like sharks in a feeding frenzy! I bet CCN “broke” the story by sending an email to Solomon to ask her a questions about whatever. They got an “auto-response” that told them she was out for two weeks and Burton was in charge. Wow, great investigating CCN.


The investigation has to be concluded some time and the time is probably here. If the findings are that some of the issues happened, then I agree that she needs to go. Police are held to a higher standard, and the Chief to even a higher than that standard. If she is responsible for some of the allegations, then the City Manager would be remiss in not letting her go. One thing to keep in mind, since this is a personnel issue, there is no disclosure there. You will know that she has been removed, but you will not get all the juicy details. Have you people thought of who you are going to gang up on next? What are you going to do when she is gone? Have you really thought this thru!!??


TacomaRose

@Dogpound

:

Gimme a break… When people in government leadership screw up this bad and fail the communities they were hired to serve …. well they deserve to be thrown to the sharks.


Simply put, we need more sharks. Perhaps that will put the chum on alert and make them behave better


Dogpound

I totally agree with you. I agree with everyone that says if she is guilty then she deserves what she gets. I will not argue, and do not argue when you say that when Gov’t leaders screw up they deserve to be thrown to the sharks. I whole heartedly agree. And if/when the facts are found to be true, then she does deserve to lose her job. I have said that since day one. My isue is the IF part. I am waiting for the IF SHE IS FOUND guilty to push her off the short plank into the water. Most have you pushed her along time ago. And I have also said when the facts come out and all of you say “hahah I told you so”, well I knew it to so you can’t tell me anything. I am just letting the system run its course because a lynch mob is never any good.


Cindy

Hey Dogpound, Does the auto response also indicate that she didn’t leave a forwarding contact number or that her city owned vehicle that she takes home every night is sitting in the PD lot? You can resent CCN if you like but most of us appreciate them as well as all the Officers who sort CCN’s help as a LAST RESORT.


Really, do you believe that all these Officers are lying? As for all the “juicy details” tha twe won’t be hearing about, you mean there is more!!!!!!!!!!!


Typoqueen

“Really, do you believe that all these Officers are lying?”


Do you believe that all these officers that are defending her are lying?


Who are all these officers BTW? How many were interviewed for these articles? Just curious.


Cindy

“Do you believe that all these officers that are defending her are lying?”


Hahahahah, well now lets see……..Ahhhhh if you rip off 7 people. how many people does that leave to say that you never ripped them off??


Typoqueen

WTF,, okay. Hey you guys were the ones that said that there were at least 10 cops at that meeting to defend her. I just wanted to know if you think that they are lying? You asked the question first about people lying.


What ever you do Cindy, don’t change you MO Cindy. I won’t expect a direct answer.


Cindy

How much more direct could I be? It’s not about who say’s she never groped their own genitals, its about those who say she DID grope their genitals. She can’t grope everyone’s genitals at least I don’t think so!


As for the 10 Officers, I had no idea you, in your own mind, twisted the fact that they were on duty at the CC meeting into thinking that they were there to voluntarily “defend her”. You have such an odd way of deducing “facts” that it’s beyond me !!!


I will bet $$ to donuts that you’re the only person who thinks the 10 Officers at the CC meeting were there to personally defend (stick up) for Solomon rather than recognize that they were on duty as a show of police presence in case of any disruptions. As far as I know the only Officer there to offer her personal and off-duty support was her husband and possibly a LEO friend.


Cindy

Moderator or Admin, please correct one word for me, in the 3rd line of the 2nd paragraph to read “they were THERE to” from “they were THEIR to”..


Thank You


R.Hodin

Moderator, please fluff & fold my laundry when it’s dry.

Thank you.


zaphod

moderator just washed my car! thank you moderator.


Cindy

R. Hodin


You made me really start to LOL….. What the heck? I didn’t want to print an oppps when I could try asking for a quick fix. Now I probably won’t get one, thanks to you ;)


Typoqueen

Well, I can’t get an accurate count on the cops at the meeting. There was one picture of a cop not in uniform and apparently off duty and others said that there were several in the front row. I’ve heard different things on that. I have no idea how many cops are defending her as there is no real facts on that issue. But you seem to know about all the (many) cops that are accusing her of this grouping, who are they, how many are there? Has there been a number of ACTUAL filed complaints about this? You seem to have the answers so what’s the deal? What are the FACTS Cindy.


Cindy

Well dah, CCN said that 3 Officers claim to have had their genitals grabbed by her and 1 claims that she smashed his head into her breasts in public. CCN also say’s that 3 additional Officers have confirmed (claim they witnessed) three of the 4 claims. The Officer who she grabbed in her car apparently had no witnesses. So that would be 7 Officers that we know of who are on the record. CCN has also claimed that other Officers contacted them and are on the record with them regarding other events. Is CCN a liar?? Are 7+ (known by name) Officers lying??


I’m done with you for today, you’re just too ridiculous and I don’t have the patience for you. Try retaining what you read and if you think CCN is a liar, then stop reading them.


MaryMalone

“She can’t grope everyone’s genitals at least I don’t think so!”


Maybe she’s ambidextrous, or gifted in groping.


Cindy

hahah, Well the way I figure it, once the word is out, you can’t catch anyone off guard as in “surprise, I got your Johnson & Sons”, except for those who enjoy surprises………………which maybe more than we know but couldn’t be, “all of them” ????


Cindy

moderator or Admin, could you please change “maybe” to “may be” (two words) , please?????


OK, Bring it on, Hodin.


danika

ROFLMAO! Stooooppppp it, Mary! ; )


Typoqueen

Cindy, I don’t know how many cops were there, I was going by witnesses that were there that posted in this forum. You keep saying it’s about the groping, how many people have filed complaints about the groping thing? Someone posted a picture of an off duty cop standing by the podium that was there to support her. I don’t know how many cops were there or what they were there for. Some people said that the whole front row was full of off duty cops, some said the were on duty cops, some said that there weren’t any cops in the front row, Karen said that they were in riot gear in their cars, some said that they were in uniforms throughout the building. It really doesn’t matter. Just try and get it straight though I don’t know how many cops support her just as you don’t know how many don’t, I never said anything about ‘facts’ regarding this, I said that I was going by what I was told right here by some of the mob. I guess that I shouldn’t believe any of you.


MaryMalone

You’re a big supporter of Cuddy, and praised his solomon/PR editorial.


How many were interviewed for the Cuddy editorial hand-job he gave to solomon and the government of PR? Who were they?


Just curious.


Typoqueen

LOL OMG this is just to silly and too unreal for a normal person to believe.


No Mary, I’m not a big supporter of Cuddy. I don’t believe that Cuddy was praising Solomon and neither have I. This is something that a few of the CCN faithful have a hard time comprehending. He was making fun of YOU, the writers of these articles and the rest of the mob, it had nothing to do with Solomon. Not defending, no defending at all, nothing really to do with Solomon at all IMO. Can you grasp that at all? It’s about a mentality over here. I stopped posting because I was embarrassed to be associated with this silliness but after speaking with a few people unfortunately for you I changed my mind. So until I’m censored again I’m back.


I’m curious as well, who has CCN interviewed,,or is there anyone left that will go on the record for an interview here? You want names, so do I so at least we can agree on that.


MaryMalone

In his chicken-$hit attacks on the media readers who criticize(d) solomon and PR, Cuddy did defend both solomon and PR.


He also dissed CCN by calling into question the veracity of their publication.


Cuddy really screwed up when he used such unethical approaches to criticizing those who are horrified by solomon and the city of PR, and who spoke out about it.


Swamp gas? REALLY? Who the heII does he think he is?


Then, after the public reacted so negatively to his attacks on those responsible for the degradation of PR, Cuddy –poof!–disappeared.


If you have issues with board moderation, talk to them about it.


doggin

Are you one of her fuzz bumper pals? BTW, court documents will reveal every detail when the time comes.


Typoqueen

Great, I’ll be waiting for those documents,,to bad everyone else won’t.


MaryMalone

No you won’t. You won’t read it, then you’ll post a bunch of inaccurate crap, and accuse those of us who DO read it of being wrong.


We know your MO by now.


Typoqueen

So you are saying that there have been court documents posted here or are these more MM porkies?,,,LOL who is posting inaccurate crap,,,,oh wait do you consider he said she said or articles on CCN court documents? I have never ever said that court documents are inaccurate but I would love to know the docs that you HAVE read regarding this issue. Hmm, bet I’ll never find out about these ‘court documents’ that you’ve read.


Too silly.


MaryMalone

Time-waster


Typoqueen

So,,in other words, there are no documents. You were caught again,,oh what tangled web…


moderator

The article is not about Mary in fact most of your comments here as late are directed to other people(not in a nice way) here and the site itself.

we invite you to create commentary on our articles and stories

not to pick fights with other people who have tried to clarify the facts and point this out. Your comments will now have to wait for one of us to approve it before it will appear. Because we want commentary on the facts at hand the story so far you seem hell bent to shut down this conversation rather than move it forward’

this is a community discussion please create your comments as if you are a part of that community.

Disagree without being disagreeable

please

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everybody


jeffs thoughts

I think nobody will ever see any documents. I believe said reports will be quietly buried for “Private/confidential” reasons.


Typoqueen

Then the alleged victims can get attorneys and it doesn’t take much to win a lawsuit regarding sexual harassment. It doesn’t make sense for the PD/city to brush this off, they would be putting themselves in great jeopardy of losing a lot of money by doing so. If they find that there is actual harassment then it would make more sense and could save the city a lot of money to fire Solomon if these charges are founded. Now that it’s public there’s no way that this will be swept under the carpet. If nothing comes of this then that means that there was nothing there to begin with.


jeffs thoughts

We will see. Having lived here for almost 27 years. I have known Lisa since before she was on the PD. When this all came out it did not surprise me one bit.


Typoqueen

Well, you are more qualified then anyone here including me to make such a statement seeing that you’ve personally known her this long. So I respect your opinion on that and it’s helpful for me as well. But as much as everyone will hate this, I still want to hear the PD’s take on this and until that comes out I still can’t really takes sides in this. I’m not saying that you are wrong but having been on the receiving end of a few rumor mills I can understand how people can really get hurt by these types of accusations, even Solomon deserves to have her day in court or have her side spoken. It’s even possible that Heidi Fleiss could be wrongly accused of sexual harassment and I would feel this same way with her. I hope you can understand this more than a few of the residents.


jeffs thoughts

I could not agree more, but this time the ones keeping tight lipped are Mr. App and Lisa. A fair and impartial investigation should be done by someone else not a lawfirm hired by the one keeping quit. Perhaps it would look a little more up front . Maybe the same watchdog group investigating SMPD that their City manager brought in would calm the masses.


Typoqueen

Jeff, I can understand them being tight lipped right now, I”m sure that any attorneys involved would advise them not to say anything at this point. I believe that if there is a shred of evidence and if that for an reason that the PD/city doesn’t take action that it would go to an outside source. It’s just to out in the open to be swept under the rug at this point. If I were involved in this then at this point I would push to make sure that it it follows the chain of command. I’m sure that at this point the people that have filed complaints have been seeking legal advise.


We shall see, it should be interesting.


Typoqueen

DP, I guess that you didn’t see the posts on this topic when they came after me with their pitchforks. You are talking to tables, they won’t read your posts correctly, they just don’t get it. Even my favorite posters are riding on this bandwagon and I’m quite surprised as well as disappointed by that. When I made the analogy of hyenas on a kill I was reprimanded so don’t do that. Like me I don’t see you apologizing for Solomon nor are you condemning her, I believe like me you would like more REAL information on this.


I’m not going to go through what I did before in this forum and I certainly won’t be criticizing CCN’s ‘journalism’ style again at the risk of all of my posts get modified again. So as a warning just say it’s a great story and agree with the other posters,,or else…


I went to a party this weekend that had a several well known public officials. My censorship was a topic of discussion. Just know that after talking with many people on this, we are not alone. There are a lot of people that feel the same way that we do and understand what we are saying. But don’t try and ask for facts in this case, we are the only ones in this forum that gives darn about pesky ole facts. It would be nice for certain entities to not encourage the mob mentality here and it would be nice to wait until we get more on this issue before the lynching,,but that just ain’t going to happen. As I said though, this is a very small minority of people in this forum, it’s not the way most people feel. IMO most people are waiting to hear more about this before making harsh judgements.


All that being said, I do want it made clear that I do believe that the city of Paso is in a mess financially and IMO it is at least time to get a new mayor. He’s much to comfortable in his position and I believe he as become too complacent and I do see cronyism there. But I don’t see enough to back up these other accusations regarding the PD yet.


MaryMalone

Oh, climb down off the cross, will ya?


It’s your opinions that people are attacking, not you.


Typoqueen

That’s not true, I was attacked quite a bit. BTW, I don’t believe in Jesus or a God so the cross thing doesn’t work for me, perhaps next time just tell me to get off of my high horse or something like that,,I would never be on a cross.


MaryMalone

I don’t believe in Jesus as a diety, and I don’t believe in God, either.


You’re point?


Typoqueen

Oh geez, never mind.


danika

Just a new mayor? Please tell why you feel only the mayor needs to be replaced.


Typoqueen

No, I didn’t mean to say just a new mayor. I said the mayor because he’s the head honcho. I was dismayed that he hadn’t heard anything about these charges. Whether they are rumors or whether they are factual, he should have heard of this before CCN came along with this accusations. I’ve had interactions with Pinocchio or what ever his name is, I feel he’s complacent and really just doesn’t give a damn what goes on. Personally I don’t care for him at all. I also believe that the entire council needs cleaned out. That’s easy, though. I keep seeing all of these POed posters, why dosn’t a few of them step up to the plate and run for these offices when they become available? That’s the only way to solve these problems. That’s wonderful part of a democracy, we have the power to vote these people out and they have the power to clean out the PD if that’s what is needed.


I agree that Paso has a lot of issues so something is wrong up there. Look at the schools, this gossip stuff, the terrible mayor, the water etc. Yeah it’s a mess. But I don’t believe in putting all this on Solomon. Danika, you might be right about her but I just think that this isn’t the way to go about things.


danika

TQ, again, my complaint with Solomon is her ineffectiveness to keep the city safe. THAT is her job. She is paid to do it, and paid handsomely so. I have stated several times here, I do NOT give a hoot who she is groping. If she is guilty of sexual harrassment, that will come out as it should. I have not jumped on that bandwagon, nor do I intend to. I come from a much different place. I want Paso to be the town it was when the almond plant was here. When the biggest issue was Greyhounds vs. Bearcats (hounds rule, btw ;) ) and people didn’t have to lock their doors in the daytime in their businesses. Now I know you think I am exaggerating about that, but I assure you, I AM NOT. The public rage that is festering is because of Solomon’s poor leadership and that of her boss, Jim App. The city council is also responsible.


It isn’t a matter if I am right about her, I am right about her lack of performance. I don’t know “her”, don’t want to. I know her work. I want someone who actually cares what the people think and encourage them to do so; not tell them what to think.


And now I will step off my soapbox…


Dogpound

They can attack my opinion all they want. There is a **** storm swirling around Solomon to be sure. If she is guilty then she deserves what she gets. I am not defending her at all, but I am being patient to see exactly what happened. Do I think she is going to survive this? No, I don’t. I just have a problem with how everyone takes what is written as gospel. And how everyone makes an opionion on topics they really know nothing about, besides what is written here.

When she resigns/is terminated/leaves and everyone here yells “I told you so!”, no you didn’t. I see it coming, I just refuse to jump on innuendo, speculation, flat out lies, and misrepresentation inorder to come to a decision.


Typoqueen

I hear you and I get it. I understand that when the shite really hits the fan and for what ever reason Solomom leaves I’m sure that I will hear ‘I told you so’ but like you said that’s not the point this. This happens all the time around here though and they never get it.


MaryMalone

CCN is an accurate news source. It is far more accurate, and more informative on local issues, than is the Tribune.


Did you read the article published a few weeks ago, about solomon? It read like an editorial.


Did you see the Tribune’s editorialist, Bob Cuddy’s, editorial this weekend about Diablo? It read like a PG&E press release, and is a great demonstration of “press-release editorialization.”


I realize that editorials are different from news articles. However, when the editorial staff of the main local newspaper engages in “press-release journalism” in support of the corporate or government’s actions, when support is not at all warranted, is not serving the best interests of the vast majority of the newspaper’s readership.


Cuddy’s supporting bullet points in praise of Diablo Canyon were for things that the NRC post-Fukushima task force told them to fix because they were dangerous situations which should not exist, the claims that the item was fixed cannot be supported independently, or were so vague it would be difficult for the reader to figure out which specific Diablo Canyon issue he was talking about.


Worse, he completely ignored four major issues that would be of the most major concern for County residents:


1. The two earthquake faults in close proximity to each other and to the Diablo Canyon facility, and the fact that geological formations in the area of the faults are moving–a very concerning reality.


2. The dangerous reality of having only one two-lane road which serves as both entrance and exit to the nuclear power plant.


3. The fact that PG&E, in its own in-house analysis of itself, funded by a $64-million grant issued to NPPs in the U.S. to deal with the issues noted by the NRC’s post-Fukushima Review, was very self-serving, cherry-picking what it wanted to investigate and the limits of what it would investigate, using up the entire grant allotted to us to deal with the NRC post-Fukushima task force findings…and PG&E is now holding its customers hostage by stating flat-out it won’t do any more investigation until ITs CUSTOMERS–not PG&E stockholders–cough up even more money.


4. A very serious conflict of interest regarding investigation of the earthquake faults exists at the Diablo Canyon NPP: According to the Institute on Energy and Enviornmental Research report, by Arjun Makhijani, Ph.D., there are huge conflict-of-interest dangers of having a nuclear power facility relying on its own in-house seismology department for official reviews. The following quote comes from that document, which is a preliminary review (by IEER) of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s post-Fukushima-Dai-ichi Review Report.


“There should, of course, be no bar to a nuclear utility having its own seismology department, as PG&E does. In fact, that is an important capability for a nuclear utility to have. But there is an inherent conflict of interest there that should have been recognized by the Task Force and was not.”


This indicates the NRC, which is in charge of policing the operations of the U.S.’s NPPs, missed a BIG issue about our local NPP, Diablo Canyon.


In both of Cuddy’s editorials (one about Diablo Canyon, one about solomon and PR), it’s like the corporate subject of the editorial, who is really screwing up, handed him a press release, and Cuddy just parrotted it under the Tribune banner.


That is irresponsible, IMO, especially with something as dangerous as a nuclear power plant that happens to sit in our collective back yard, or city leadership which has created an increasingly dangerous situation in the city it is supposed to be leading.


Disgusted

Mary,

I’m too lazy to go to the Trib and check, and I didn’t read the Diablo editorial, but wasn’t it written by a Tom Cuddy? I remember wondering if it was a relative of Bob’s. I might be wrong.


slowtime

She is on her way out that is for sure. Sad thing is, yes she will have her head down and tail between her legs, but her wallet will be fatter than her ass. Can you say “Disability Retirement?”


Disgusted

Typo,

In your last paragraph you state the mayor needs to go iyo. Neither you or i\I live in Paso, and meerting the mayor really doesn’t cinch his lack of qualifications. I think you’re basing your opinion just like others here have that DO live in Paso, DO know what’s been going on for years, just as you and I would know in our town. It becomes frustrating when apathy makes accountability from public officials impossible. Where you see a lynch mob. I see citizens that want honest, competent people in charge, especially when it comes to safety. These are all opinions, nothing less, nothing more.


MaryMalone

Disgusted, I agree with you.


I just want to point out that even those of us who don’t live in Paso Robles are impacted by the unwillingness or inability of the PRPD to provide the services usually expected from a police department, and the inability or unwililngness of the City Council and City Manager to make them provide those services.


When County Sheriffs and CHP have to do PRPD’s work for them, it pulls resources from the rest of the county.


Dogpound

You don’t even live in Paso so how can you make an assersion that PRPD does not provide the services expected? How the heck to you even know? SLOSO and CHP do PRPD’s work for them? Since when? Does SLOSO come into town to help sometimes? Yup. Does PRPD help SLOSO sometimes? Yup. CHP? Rarely. You are not impacted at all by what goes on in Paso. Give me a break. All you do is comment on things you really know nothing about. And your comments are mean spirited to boot.


MaryMalone

The same way that I form opinions and state them about President Obama, and who turned out to be a bait-and-switch president.


I don’t live in D.C., nor do the vast majority of people who form opinions about those who live in D.C.


I know reading a newspaper might be a new experience for you, but you really might want to try it. You can find out a lot of stuff, and make really good opinions.


danika

I also don’t live in Paso, for the record. Do I have property there? A business there? I don’t understand your point.


Typoqueen

No Disgusted, I’ve had business dealings with the mayor but unfortunately that’s all I can say on that, I made a judgement call on what I know for myself to be true but I don’t expect anyone that doesn’t know me to believe me. I don’t respect the mobs views because they made all these plans, over 500 posts of what they were going to do at that meeting and when push came to shove the only person that has done anything about this is danika and I respect her for that. Cr@p or get off the pot, if you’re not part of the solution then you’re part of the problem,,there are a hundred more of those that fit these complainers. If they would have spoke up then depending on what they said I might have a different view of them.


MaryMalone

If the “investigation”–which hasn’t even started yet–is concluded now, there will be no change in the path that Solomon, App and the city council have laid for Paso Robles.


We need an independent investigation, from the state and feds.


There have been far to many conflict-of-interest-laden hand-job investigations here in this county. Without a truly independent investigation, there is no hope for the truth to be outed and, without the truth being outed, there can be no reasons to take forceful actions against the perps. Without forceful actions, there can be no change, and Paso Robles will be stuck in the city-government circle-jerk it has been subjected to for years now.


pasoman

App next!


Crusader

Why are you talking smack? This is all of App’s and Solomon’s doings.


The sham investigation you refer to did one thing of value. It probably told App midway through that “the more we dig, the more sewage we unearth. Do you really want us to continue?” I suspect this is why Solomon is currently on leave — to give App some time to see if he can save his own hide.


App and Solomon have taken a terrible toll on the City of Paso Robles. Both need to be canned for cause.


MaryMalone

About that investigation…was it mentioned in any City Council proceedings? If so, shouldn’t we be able to get a copy of it via the Public Records Act?


Citizen

To Crusader. Stress? Lisa had some kind of party or get-together last week with people all over her front yard. Mind you, no one has a party in their front yard in our neighborhood, and it’s against our CC&Rs to park your car in the street overnight, something she does all the time, even after having her loaded gun stolen.


Meanwhile, the city council is “all a twitter” with the decision on where to put the statue of Paderewski–in the park or somewhere else???


Crusader

I agree. If she stopped acting like a slut, a predator and a clown, her job wouldn’t be all that difficult. But she is bringing pressure on herself through her own actions and it is that pressure that she will blame for her coming stress disability.


MaryMalone

QUOTING CITIZEN:

;To Crusader. Stress? Lisa had some kind of party or get-together last week with people all over her front yard.


LOL. Our spies are everywhere.


MaryMalone

Wow, did I screw up that post or what?


I shall try again:


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QUOTING CITIZEN:

” Stress? Lisa had some kind of party or get-together last week with people all over her front yard…”


LOL. Our spies are everywhere.


Slowerfaster

I’m SO glad that I don’t live in Patcho No Place !


WHAT A DUMP !


4paso

You are not the only one glad that you don’t live in Paso Robles.


winedude

I was pretty happy when I moved to Paso over 10 years ago. I’m even happier to be getting the heck out of there. The town is totally dysfunctional and I’m too darn old to deal with it. Plus, it’s too darn close to L.A. for me…


4paso

Glad to see you go.


MaryMalone

Notice how snippy city manager app got when asked a simple question, one that should have been addressed in the press release about Solomon’s “personal time off,” or WHATEVER.


He damned straight owes it to the PR residents to tell them whether it is administrative leave or not. He may not believe this, but they damned-straight have a right to know if they will continue to pick up the salary for Solomon.


pasoparent5

You said it, Mary. “Snippy” (or condescending, rude, impatient, arrogant) is a good way to describe Mr. App’s tone in this case and in many other situations.


And to hear that this story was generated from a tip…well, that just says it all, doesn’t it? Interesting that Mr. Cuddy or another media outlet hasn’t reported anything. Not surprising, though.


Also, I’d like to know if Lisa’s mysterious “leave” is related to one or both of the closed-door agenda items from last Tuesday’s city council meeting. Mere coincidence? I wonder…


MaryMalone

Doesn’t the Brown Act require that closed-session items have a brief description on what the item is about? Did the Agenda have a description? It doesn’t have to be detailed. What I’ve seen before is something like “General manager annual review.”


Cindy

Yes you’re correct. Was there no description or indication of what the meeting was about? Between Oceano and Paso Robles, something needs to be done. Some activist needs to contact Terry Franche and file a suit. They will win and the city will be required to pay the attorney fees.


MaryMalone

This was the item for March 6:


CLOSED SESSION ITEMS

 Conference with Legal Counsel – Anticipated Litigation (subdivision (b) of Gov. Code section 54956.9 (2 potential cases))


——————–


There were no Closed Session items for 2/17/2012.


——————–


Well, there are so many “anticipated litigations” PR must be facing, who knows what the subject litigation for this Closed Session is?


Was the beginning of solomon’s “personal absence” beginning on a weekend planned? or just happenstance?


Was solomon’s “personal absence” due to the board/city manager’s actions, or to her own?


Was solomon’s “personal absence” due to something that happened in PR? or had the CC and CM been talking about it for awhile?


If it was due to something that happened, is something we know about (i.e., perhaps the “grisly” tweaker-perp murder the last straw), or is it some new donnybrook failure by solomon about which we are not yet aware?


I am sooooo glad I’m not working in PR’s city hall. What a toxic environment it must be. I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire staff went out on workers’ compensation leaves.


MaryMalone

Ooops, P.S.


One way to know if solomon is discussed on closed-session items would be if she (and probably her attorney) attended the meeting. As an employee, she has the right to be present in closed-session hearings when her own case is being discussed, and to have her attorney present, but she is not allowed to speak during the closed-session proceedings.


The Gimlet Eye

The City of PR seems to have a real problem with disclosure. Can’t they release any more information than this? This is a public official in question here! The citizen/taxpayers deserve FULL DISCLOSURE!


MaryMalone

Paso Robles new city motto should be:


“But if we were transparent, you’d know what was going on.”


danika

Mary, that is too funny! I’d like your permission to get that printed on bumper stickers.


MaryMalone

Go for it!


You might want to mail one each to App and the city council. Then they’ll wonder who the heck else you’ve mailed them to.


danika

Mr. App, members of the PR City Council? You are next. Together we CAN and will effect change in Paso.


MaryMalone

You go, Danika.


What do you know about this Robert Fulton fellow?


danika

You mean Robert Burton?


MaryMalone

I was just checkin’ to see if you were awake. (not really)


Yes, Robert Burton.


I think the city must have all of the PD officers on lock-down. I would expect this board to be much more hopping, with new posters, what with solomon having a big boot-print on her kiester and all.


Typoqueen

PD on lock down, boot prints,,,,Mary, don’t you get embarrassed when you reread your posts? When a story is told you expound and add your own tilt to the story and it ends up being completely fabricated. Where is there anything that indicates that Solomon has a big boot print on her back side or as you are implying that she was fired? Where did you pull that one out of? All we know is that there is a rumor that Soloman is not working for a couple of weeks and at this point we aren’t even sure about that.


Ted Slanders

Typo,


TYPO: “All we know is that there is a rumor that Soloman is not working for a couple of weeks and at this point we aren’t even sure about that.”


What part of the source’s information in the article that state she’ll be gone for 10 days, and that she won’t be at the forthcoming Council Meeting, and that she left Burton in charge, don’t you understand?


Typoqueen

LOL,,,’the source’ eh. Well then you’re right, it must be true! BTW, is it the same ‘source’ that said that 100% of a local community’s school kids were qualified for free lunches? Everyone jumped on that bandwagon as well. Sorry, at this point I don’t trust your sources. How about a name, a real person, that might help. You seem to have some behind the scenes connections here at CCN, who is this source? I’d like to know because so far this forum isn’t batting 100 on it’s sources. The only thing batting a 100 around here is the defamation of almost every local govt. official in the county.


So what if Solomon left someone in charge? Heck, I might go on sick leave if there were a mob after me. Why do you blindly believe something without any facts? IF she’s gone which she very well might be, we don’t know why,,but as long as you have your ‘source’ I guess it really doesn’t matter.


MaryMalone

Read the danged article.


Typoqueen

Yes Mary, App said she was gone. There that’s all you need now read into that what ever you want. I’ll bet that she’s pregnant by,,,umm,,hmm, by App,,yeah that’s the ticket, that’s why she’s gone. There, have fun and run with that.


Typoqueen

Okay, I must have missed that part. I read that App confirmed that she is taking some time off, that might be for numerous reasons. I took a vacation over Christmas, I wouldn’t exactly call it ‘leave of absence’.


I don’t know how to make this any more clear. I’m not disagreeing with the fact that this Solomon issue needs to be investigated and for that I appreciate that CCN brought this to light. I’m simply disagreeing with the rush to judgements around here without facts to back these guilty judgements, it happens quite frequently around here. I am also disagreeing with the way this story is presented…but I had better not get into that again.


Ted Slanders

Typo,


“App, asked if Solomon’s absence could be described as administrative leave, replied in an email, “It is not described as anything. She is taking leave. She left Robert Burton in charge.”


BLACKBURN CALLED APP AND HE SAID THAT SHE IS GONE FOR A WHILE, PERIOD! GET IT?????!!!!! 2+2=4!!!


Now, back to our regular programing ……..


Typoqueen

I never said anything to the contrary. She is taking leave of absence. Why, you know so much, why did she go? I’m listening to it right now on KSBY. They are not giving any reason why she’s gone but she’ll be back next Thursday. BTW it’s a balanced fair news story, imagine that. She probably left because of this but she might have left for some other reasons, but lets just pretend like we know why.


The Gimlet Eye

How do you know it’s fair and balanced?


MaryMalone

How do you ever get all the sand out of your ears that results from sticking your head into the ground?


Let’s see—where do we start?


1. Would I be the one to break a story about solomon literally, really having a big boot print on her kiester?


2. Would anyone with a lick of sense think that I did?


3. Do we all need to post a “metaphor alert!” notification before we use a metaphor?


4. It is not a rumor that solomon is not working. App confirmed it to CCN.


5. When this high of a new-development article breaks on an issue CCN has been covering and which, in the past, has been extremely popular, with lots of new names as bloggers (usually supporting solomon and the city), don’t you think it odd that there is not a lot of new names supporting solomon for this installation on the solomon issue?


6. CCN reporting staff have been far more accurate about what is going on with Gropinator Solomon and her city-government supporters than has been the city government. It is CCN that cut open the festering, oozing wound that characterizes the environment which the leadership in PR’s city government has allowed to occur and worsen. Therefore, I’m backing CCN’s version (and not Editorial Handjob Cuddy’s version).


Typoqueen

I don’t care who defends Solomon, I don’t care if there are new posters defending her. It doesn’t add to or take away from the issue at hand. But none of that matters, CCN has made your mind up for you.


MaryMalone

I don’t “care,” either.


However, since there were before and aren’t now, there is, IMO, the possibility that some stern measures have been taken to keep those who might know what is going on off the boards.


MaryMalone

TQ, THIS IS YOUR POST TO WHICH I RESPONDED WITH MY POST OF 3/13/2012, 10:45 AM:


“PD on lock down, boot prints,,,,Mary, don’t you get embarrassed when you reread your posts? When a story is told you expound and add your own tilt to the story and it ends up being completely fabricated. Where is there anything that indicates that Solomon has a big boot print on her back side or as you are implying that she was fired? Where did you pull that one out of? All we know is that there is a rumor that Soloman is not working for a couple of weeks and at this point we aren’t even sure about that.


You are trying to rewrite the post to which I responded to make yourself look competent, after you repeatedly criticized other posters for accurately posting what you got wrong.


It won’t work.


Dogpound

She is currently not workign and Burton is in charge. Who cares what type of leave it is. I can tell you that if one goes out on “admin leave” there is not an end date. The article says “sources say she will be gone for at least 10 days”. That speaks to “I am taking some time off cause I need it” versus admin leave. It sounds like all of this is going to be wrapping up soon and a disposition will be forthcoming.


Typoqueen

DP, she’ll be back next Thursday. Then maybe we can find out what the next step is. I’m as curious as the next guy to know what’s going on. It’s just such a shame that people can’t wait to hear what is truly happening with this. In the public CCN court of opinion she has been convicted of terrible crimes.


zaphod

Fulton’s steam boat.


MaryMalone

1. If App and the City Council remain in control of the city, nothing will change.


2. I wonder if the horrific murder over the weekend had anything to do with the decision to drop-kick Solomon out the door—I mean, have her go out on personal leave?


3. This kinda makes Bob Cuddy look like a horse’s patoot.


Typoqueen

“This kinda makes Bob Cuddy look like a horse’s patoot.”


How so?


MaryMalone

Your kidding, of course.


Typoqueen

No, how does Soloman taking time off of going on leave or what ever it might be have to do with Cuddy? I see no correlation so maybe you could enlighten me.


danika

TQ, I think Mary is referring to the Trib opinion piece Mr Cuddy did in defense of Solomon against CCN.


Typoqueen

I didn’t read Cuddy’s piece as defending Solomon. Just as I wasn’t defending Solomon and just as I believe that Dogpound isn’t defending Solomon. Cuddy was criticising the writing of the articles and the posters but he wasn’t defending Solomon. I know it seems hard to imagine to the posters here but there is a rather large group of us that believe in innocence until proven guilty,,,the problem here is that most of those people don’t post in this forum.


Danika, I believe that you are having the problems that you are having regarding the crime across the street but there are always two sides to every story and it’s always good to have both sides before making a judgement IMO. You are having the issues that you are having but the PD might be taking action, they might be to understaffed, I don’t know, there might be other explanations. That being said, they should and it sounds like the PD are now making more drive-bys and perhaps taking action.


winedude

TQ: Only two points that I’d like to make here. There are NOT always two sides to every story. There may or may not be two sides on this one but I suspect not. And innocence until proven guilty applies only in a criminal courtroom.


This irresponsible woman that was appointed, rather than selected from a qualified group, as Paso Robles police chief, has brought nothing but embarrassment to Paso. I’ve heard the stories over the last couple years so I’m not surprised when they hit the news. Thanks to CCN, it didn’t get buried or ignored, as it might have in the TT.


Typoqueen

“And innocence until proven guilty applies only in a criminal courtroom.”


It is also something that I personally believe in. I don’t believe in running a person down or slandering them until there is some type of proof other than gossip or at least something substantial that they’ve done something wrong. You don’t believe that there are two sides to every story, I do so we we won’t see eye to eye on that.


” I’ve heard the stories over the last couple years…”


And there lies the problem. I know what it’s like being the topic of peoples ‘stories’ AKA gossip. That’s fine, I’m not going to get into this all over again.


I can’t convince you or anyone else at CCN to wait until you hear both sides so you may believe what you must. I only wish that some of you would understand that when some of us say that we’re not convinced or that we want to wait to hear the evidence or both sides rather than innuendo on these types of stories that some of you wouldn’t tell us that we are defending Solomon because that isn’t what we’re doing.


danika

They are too understaffed. But why does the city’s safety have to be jeopardized because of seriously BAD decisions and bloated salaries?


Typoqueen

That might very well be so. I was just reading that since Stockton is going bankrupt that they don’t have enough money to fund their PD so they might have to use the National Guard to protect their city, it could get worse. I think that a lot of these pay decisions were made when the economy was in it’s high point and just like many homeowners, now we can’t afford these things.


Crusader

Actually I think Cuddy’s “journalism” makes him look like a nasty shill…


Typoqueen

Well, and some might believe that statement is more related to some people over here…