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Poly House contractor battling with De Vaul

May 1, 2012

Dan De Vaul

By KAREN VELIE

Poly House’s plans to build an 8,000 square-foot residential sober living home on the Sunny Acres property this quarter have been abandoned because of arguments between Dan De Vaul and a contractor working with Poly House. The disputes centered around building code requirements and scrap metal.

After years of battling over code requirements, De Vaul, community members, public officials and a group of students began working together to makeover Sunny Acres, a sober living facility located north of San Luis Obispo on Los Osos Valley Road. Poly House planned to clean up the property, correct a list of code violations and finish the construction of a structure to house the homeless.

In March, a court-appointed receiver took over the reins at the ranch while De Vaul voiced concerns that the cost of a receiver would result in the loss of his property.

Since then, San Luis Obispo County Supervisor Bruce Gibson, attorney Jeff Stulberg, Cal Poly instructor Roya Javadpour and 80 Cal Poly students began collaborating to bring the property into code compliance, remove the receivership and build the 8,000 square-foot facility for the homeless.

However, because of delays created by De Vaul’s plans to manage the cleanup, Steve Chauvet, Poly House’s supervising/consulting contractor for the past seven years, said there was no longer time to get permits to build the house. Discussions then began to determine if Poly House should completely back out or agree to a new plan. On its website, Poly House now says its current plans are limited to laying the foundation, without building the house.

Each spring, as part of a project management course, instructors, outside contractors and students do a remodeling project to help improve the life of a physically disabled and financially disadvantaged family or individual.

At first, the De Vaul project went as planned, with students and community volunteers hauling away more than 50 tons of trash, chopped wood, old vehicles and numerous other items. Students had additional plans to sell the rest of the property’s scrap metal for $100,000, to be used to help pay construction expenses.

On April 21, volunteers and students arrived at De Vaul’s property planning to clean up the metal scrap, only to be ordered not to move any items because De Vaul wanted to inspect all scrap before it was disposed of.

Chauvet said that De Vaul has failed to follow through on his agreement with Poly House and the county to allow the students to clean up the property and correct violations.

“He had his dream at his fingertips,” Chauvet said.  “His junk became more important than the people he says he is trying to help.”

De Vaul argues that Poly House workers already fixed the code violations previously discovered by the county and they should not report or remedy newly discovered violations.

In addition, De Vaul decided he was no longer going to allow the metal scraps to be sold to help cover the cost of the house. Instead, he now plans to sell the scrap himself and to use any monies received to cover his legal expenses, which he said currently run $27,000 for the receiver and $125,000 to county council.

“Why in the hell should I have to turn over my scrap to Poly kids,” De Vaul said. “It ain’t going to happen with my money. Why should Poly be stopped from building this house because of scrap metal on this property?”

De Vaul contends there is a conspiracy by the county to stop the project.

“The county since the inception of this program has tried to knock it in the head,” De Vaul said. “I will go ahead and make the conspiracy theory statement.

“The county is using the people from the Poly House. They are being led down the wrong path  because they are kids and they respect government. The county won’t blame Cal Poly and Cal Poly won’t blame the county, so who gets the black eye,” De Vaul said.

However, both Chauvet  and San Luis Obispo County Supervisor Bruce Gibson said the county has made many concessions to assist De Vaul in providing a sober living facility for the homeless and that the county is not promoting the termination of plans to build the sober living house this quarter.

“The county is not trying to stop the Poly House Project and remains hopeful that Poly House can help correct many of the long standing code violations,” Gibson said in an email.

Water piping serving as a gas line

Chauvet said Sunday that Poly House was still planning to work on several code violations they uncovered while working on the project, including two non-permitted septic tanks, an illegal 700-foot gas line made out of water pipe and the rigging of a permitted one-breaker electrical panel into a six-breaker panel.

However, Chauvet, an  International Conference of Building Officials certified building and plumbing inspector, said when he arrived on the property on Monday to fill one of the septic tanks with cement, De Vaul became angry, cursed at him and tried to stop the work.

Chauvet reported the altercation and failure to abide by the court order (which he videotaped) to the court, the county planning department, the trustee and the San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s Department. Deputies are investigating the issue as a violation of Penal Code 415, an offensive altercation punishable by 90 days in county jail.

“I was glad it was me and not the contractor or the students,” Chauvet said. “I am the one that worked to get everyone involved in this.”


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That scrap metal is worth about $350 per ton taken to the right scrap yard. It is his personal property. They should send it off, but not keep the money. That was never part of the deal that they told the public about on Dave Congleton a few weeks ago.


There are some foolish things out there. Regular galvanized pipe for a gas line? All sorts of crappy septic tanks around there. The more I hear about this place, the more it sounds like a deluxe homeless encampment.


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It is truley fraudulent the way Dan convinces people to donate to SA and then he calls it his property.


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What a shocker that De Vaul makes another poor decision while he decries being a victim of the government…..I just knew this deal with Poly House was too good to be true……what an idiot. Pffffttttt…….good riddance to him and his bad rubbish already.


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It’s nice to see that everyone is getting a taste of what kind of neighbor Dan DeVaul really is.


BTW, I think you all should get over the idea that this is a homeless center or a rehab facility. If you look at who is really has been housed there, you might call it a half-way house for felons and sex offenders…. and way too close to two schools.


This is not the right location or the right person.


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Pardon me, but a Cal Poly quarter is 10 weeks long. How in the hell did these people think they were going to clear the property of junk, correct all the code violations, pull and obtain permits from SLO County AND build an 8,000 s.f. building in 10 weeks?

Who’re the real idiots? DuVaul? I don’t think so.

And so what if he wants to oversee the removal of HIS scrap metal. Scrap metal, depending on what kind it is and how much there is of it, can be incredibly valuable. It’s not like aluminum cans. Real scrap metal is sold by the ton not the pound. And if the County Counsel wants $125,000 and the County’s receiver’s bill is $27,000 already, those bills have to be paid too.

If he doesn’t pay them, the exact same thing could happen with the county putting liens on the property and eventually seizing it. I don’t blame him for fighting the taking of his scrap metal, he probably doesn’t have anything else to sell to pay the bills.

And who is this contractor to come out with a cement truck to “fill in” a septic tank? Did he install one to replace it first? What moron does that? Who the hell does he think he is, to come onto any man’s property and start filling in septic systems. If they did build a new homeless facility, then add another $50,000 to the cost to install a new septic. These Cal Poly people clearly know nothing about construction projects in the real world. It’s one thing to put a handicap ramp in someone’s home or a new roof, but to do what they said they wanted to do in 10 weeks is naive bordering on asinine.


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It’s definitely possible to do in 10 weeks. All that’s needed is cooperation by the county, good leadership, a simple design, good weather, plenty of cheap labor, no accidents and lots of sweat. I’ve been in the trades for 40 years, I know it’s possible. I doubt that the team expected to get it to the finish stage, but it could be roofed, sheathed, plumbing & electrical roughed-in and drywalled in 10 weeks.


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I agree except I believe that they might have been able to finish it all. We’re talking 80 students, that’s a lot of busy hands.


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Too bad this article incorrectly states how many students are in the class. Just one of many incorrect statements published here.


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How many were there?


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In the KSBY news, a student stated there were around 35.


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Hmm, okay, that’s interesting. I wonder which one is close. In any case, even 35 people is a lot of people, but of course a big difference from 80.


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Last I looked, the Spring quarter is half over. Also, students tend to get really busy around the end of the quarter and disappear over summer… I’m not seeing where the “10 weeks” is coming from.


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10 weeks, Easy! Shit, they do that kind of stuff on the DIY network in 30 minutes!


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You must not know much about the history of Polyhouse. If you did, you would be astonished at what gradute engineering students can accomplish. It’s unfortunate that they do not have the support from people like you, who do not know the facts.


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I thought the RECEIVER was in control of ALL the assets, tangible and intangible, including scrap metal. He evidently had debts and that’s WHY he is in RECEIVERSHIP. He obviously must still LIVE there but I don’t think he has much say over the assets. Cussing and cantankerous behavior turn most people off… especially when they are trying to help!


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You clearly know nothing about failed septic systems.


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No one said it was a failed septic system, they said it was an illegal septic system (no permits for it). Frankly, if he has the land (which he does) and if the septic system was properly installed, it seems they should have applied to get it permitted rather than fill it in? I would think that an extra system on all of that land that is functioning properly actually adds more protection from a failure of the main system as overload is avoided? I’m not saying that I’m right, I asking a question here. I don’t blame him for being angry that someone was filling in a septic tank that he probably needed considering all the people who he planned on housing. Does he have access to a sewer hook up at the street ?


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“I’m not saying that I’m right, I asking a question here.”


Did anybody see the above in my post? I have 5 thumbs down and nobody bothered to explain why my line of thinking was wrong. If you can take the time to tell me I’m wrong with a red thumb you should be able to take a minute and explain about the septic tank, or maybe you don’t know either?


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How ironic, I’m still waiting on an answer as to how you KNOW that the cops threw that homeless lady in the dirt and cuffed her for simply speaking her mind. Funny how that works.


Anyway, Mr. Chauvet explained that they were required to fill it in the post below, if the tank isn’t up to code then they are required to do this. I don’t if that’s why they took such action but seeing how they ran the gas lines and the rest of work out there I would guess that’s probably why. Septic tanks that aren’t up to code can be very dangerous. Every now and then I’ll read about someone that falls in one, yuk what away to go. If they are in the wrong place then they might seep sewage into well water, if it’s not strong enough it could collapse. I’m sure that there are many reasons as to why they might have filled in this septic tank but I can assure you that they didn’t just do this for no reason at all.


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He said the tank was illegal. People need a permit and an inspection for a septic tank but that doesn’t mean that the septic tank won’t pass and inspection, or wasn’t installed to code, it means it is illegal until it does pass an inspection and is permitted. Its my understanding that this tank had never even been used. I simply asked a question that no one can answer, they just like to disagree, that is nothing new. If the tank could have passed an inspection and been permitted there would be no reason to fill it in unless it could not meet code requirements and that has yet to be answered.


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If it were up to code then he could still pay for a permit but I don’t believe that they would throw cement in it if it were up to code requirements. None of the work out there is up to code there is absolutely no reason to believe that anything out there including the septic tank was up to code. I’ll bet if you called every company that sells and installs septic tanks systems that you will find that DeVaul has never utilized their services.


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How do you inspect an installation that’s underground?


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The gas company has a hand held device that traces gas-line plastic gas-line has a special wire inside for this purpose Dan’s installation didn’t trace. unsafe.


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Here is your green thumb. Just because it is not permitted does not mean it is unsafe. It could be perfectly fine, i agree with you. Some other States dont even require permits for construction. Other States even allow copper and other material for gas lines too. Not our Nanny state.


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In Somolia you can use what you ever like and shoot anyone who tells you different. PGE gets away with increasing pressure for profit I love the nanny state that at least makes the attempt of taking CARE of us all.


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As the man said, clearly you don’t know about septic systems.


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I am Steve Chauvet the contractor that has worked as a unpaid supervisor/ consultant with Polyhouse for 8 years now. This septic tank was discovered and was illegal. It was filled as required by the code.. This was not the septic serving the legal residence on the property. I have seen the 220 volt electric lines only 5 inches underground in yard drain pipe.I have seen the wire in the Stucco barn that was burnt from being installed unsafely. I have seen the windows on the second story that were so smalll a child could not fit through them to get out in a fire. There were NO smoke dectectors. I have seen the PVC yard pipe gas line running over 700 feet and also to his apartment. I have seen 5 homes that were blown up from a natural gas leak. I have know the loss of someone from not being able to get out of second story window in a fire.

I know personally that this mans only love is himself and he has no reguard for anyones safety.


The community can rest with the knowledge that what ever happens to this man or his land is HIS OWN CHOICE and no one but HIS. He has burned his bridges and has NO one to blame but Dan for the failure to be honest with the Courts or the County or even you the people he has been lying too for so many years.

I also paid for the production of and directed most of the video on You Tube “Sun Rising on Sunny acres” to promote the clean up day April 21st. I personally delievered it to 7 churches and it was sent out to over 2,000 people via email.


Shame on Dan for deceiving us and playing on all of our heart strings for years and these dedicated Polyhouse students.


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Paperboys sounds right. Boys don’t understand or even care how dedicated people can move mountains. They can speak truth and shed light on the deeds of darkness. THey most likely have never helped a family that struggles with a handicap in the household. They have never seen a Polyhouse project or never heard of Polyhouse MAGIC.


This man has been lying through the media for years. He has no voice anymore. Just let HIS CHOICES run there own destiny now. We have all wasted too much energy on this man’s lies and greed.

I have video proof of his lack of care. His disreguard for any safety. His mud huts that some people would say would inhumane for animals to live in. I will be happy to show them to anyone that wants to know the TRUTH about this man’s lies…. SHAME on DAN.. IT’s all over now.


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I doubt showing a video of a man shouting in the heat of an argument will do anyone good.


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“HIS scrap metal” most of it was donated to SA.


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Absolutely shocking that he’s acting batsh*t crazy and contrary to his own best interest.


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He does have that habit. And yes, 10 weeks is plenty for a single story on a flat site with a FULL-TIME job superintendent for ONE house, with state-paid salary no less. And it sounds like work was starting yesterday! Everybody has bent over backwards. This is a new twist in the conservator-ship battle. The judge should just sell the property at auction, pay who’s owed what, and give DuVaul the balance to do with as he pleases.


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I stand corrected on the state salary – free to DuVaul nonetheless.


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Hey, That property should not be sold by the state, that land belongs to DeVaul and has been in his family for a long time. The county council isn’t worth 125K for this case, I don’t care if he was fighting the Queen of England. Talk about trumped up fees. He can charge anything and no one say’s a word, this is BS. Think about it, $125,000.00 !!! Why do we all put up with these dirt bag lawyers??


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Cindy, this has been going on for a long long time, it’s easy to see how he racked up such a bill. I don’t want to pay is so can we just send the bill to you?


If they can’t get the man to follow the law regarding his property how much more should we spend on this? Should we just continue to let the guy stay there and cost the county more money so then people like you can come back in 10 years and say ‘why is this costing so much’? If the guy were to just stay on his property and follow the laws and codes then I’d agree with you but he won’t, he as proved this time and time again.


It’s too bad that he’s losing his property that’s been in his family for a long time but it’s his own fault. He really should be ashamed of himself for what he’s put everyone through. A lot of people believed that he was out to do the right thing including you. You should be mad for being duped.


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As usual Cindy, you know not of what you speak. Read more, research more and type less. The DeVaul family has not owned the property. The Morganti Family Ranches owned the prroperty until the mid 90’s. It was about 130 acres. DeVaul, their tenant, turned what was once productive farmland into a junk yard and then scared them into believing he had contaminated the land. So they sold it to him (after DeVaul literally scared away the environmental consultant for the City which was looking at purchasing the land from the Morganti’s). DeVaul got together with the Temple Beth David congregation, got them to finance a lot split, paid off the Morgantis with the money and pocketed the rest. From time to time he goes on land buying sprees around the Western states with those profits.


There was no Sunny Acres – just a junk yard where DeVaul did what he loves best – restoring old cars and leaving the bones out in the fields. Sunny Acres was his attempt to get the County off his back. His hope was that the gullible media and bleeding hearts in SLO would feel sorry and leave him alone with his hobby.


Actually, I’m surprised that PolyHouse lasted this long. There is a long list of community groups and upstanding people who have experienced EXACTLY what Mr. Chevaut has and have abandoned DeVaul, understanding that the guy is a sycophant.


Do not swally this guy’s swill. It is exactly that. He is a grifter and nothing else.


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Wow, I didn’t know that he had only had that property since the 90s. I’m really surprised about that.


I have been saying for years on these message boards that DeVaul was just a con artist and trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes and no one would speak up. I constantly got verbally beat up every time I said anything about saint DeVaul being a con artist. Now people are coming out of the wood work and confirming these things. LOL, where have you been for the last 3 or 4 years? I don’t know how he managed to fool people for so long. I believe that people such as Cindy just hate the govt. so much that it was just a good excuse to bash them.


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The land has NOT been in his family a long time. It was the Morganti Ranch. The DuVaul ranch was down the road, other side of Madonna, now covered with houses. He bought Morganti with the proceeds from selling that one. Facts, Cindy, facts.


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He did it AGAIN!?!?!?


Why do people even try to help him any longer?


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Right now Christine Mulholland’s rubbing her hands together and letting out a sinister laugh. MUUUAAAHHWAAAA! Excellent! Soon my view will be unobstructed… cackle cackle.


But seriously, Mr. DeVaul. Get it together or your property’s a goner. Don’t be like those crazy folks on “Hoarders” who have five tons of junk, get free help to clean up their place then say ” Leave me alone! Get lost! This is MY junk and I’ll do what I want with it!”


This PolyHouse group is the BEST chance DeVaul has at keeping his land and now it looks like he’s gonna blow it for some SCRAP METAL!!


I’m with Cindy. DeVaul’s lost my support if he can’t grow up and swallow his pride.


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YUP, I know he is an eccentric old fellow and as cantankerous as they come. “This is my land and I’ll do what I want”. I’m also not surprised that he has a little “conspiracy paranoia”. The county has set him up to take his land in my opinion and we all could have got behind him to challenge those ludicrous fees if he had allowed the CP group to set his feet on a level playing field. The CalPoly program could have saved him.


I wonder if there is someone he trusts that can get through to him before all is lost?


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Cindy


Devaul is NOT an eccentric old fellow and as cantankerous as they come!

I and my family have been customers of his for about 25 years

Hes work with his workers, anyone can talk with him

Go buy some firewood or wine barrels for your garden from him or just simply go there and chat with him or his workers they are all nice people, always been!

If he wants to help the down and out, he does it out of his own free will with no expectaion

If he does not want to help some freeloader, he resent anyone telling him he has to!


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Willie, You’re not the “gubmint” and you’re not trying to tell him what to do with his property. I have no doubt that DeVaul can be a very pleasant man when socializing with non confrontational neighbors and acquaintances. They aren’t what gets his dander up, it’s the “gubmint” interference in what he considers to be his own business that brings out his bull headed obstinance. Its easy enough to understand especially when dealing with a man his age as there has been an array of intrusive codes that have insidiously evolved over the years.


Most people (long term land owners) don’t realize this until one of these pain in the butt , snoopy “code violation servants” shows up to hassle them about all the rules they’re breaking and how much money the gov wants to pay for their cost of hassling you. That is how it feels to an old timer.


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DeVaul has a long history of not cooperating, it goes back before the these code violation issues. I’m not sure if this is a hoarding issue, it might be, God knows he has a lot of junk out there but I don’t feel that’s the problem. He is obstinate for the sake of being obstinate. He has had a grudge with the county for a long time and he’s a control freak.


The following is a story that was told to me:

Many years ago a neighbor of his told me that a long time ago either him or his father were shooting at deer out there. He was shooting towards this homeowners property where her kids play. When the Sheriff went out there to tell him to knock it off he went nuts,,,it’s his property, he should be able to do what he wants and all that. She said that from that time on DeVaul’s had it out for the county. I verified this with someone that actually lived in DeVauls house and to some of the old timers, this is common knowledge. I was told about this a long time ago and being the very old lady that I am, I might have some of it wrong,,ie can’t remember if it was him or his dad but the main part of the story is what I was told.


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Typo


Not junk but antique and nostalic

When you have time go have a chat with Devaul

He will openly and honestly fill you in on everything

Hes been around a long time and knows what is going on

GIBSON AND HIS BUDDIES ARE THE A@@ THAT STARTED ALL OF THIS


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Sorry willie, I have to disagree with you on this one. I’ve been following this like many others from start. The county including Gibson has given him chance after chance. Why would he do what he did to these people that are helping now? We are talking about over 80 people that have taken time from their busy days to help this guy for FREE when they could be helping others, we have a lot of families in need in this county. Once again, he kicked a gift horse in the mouth. Obviously I’ve never had the high opinion of him as you have. I feel that he’s a very selfish man.


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I have a good story for you. I was told about a dead festering cow that DeVaul had on his property. After he followed his nose and located it, he promptly got out his tractor but rather than bury it he decided to drag it over to his lovely neighbor, Christine Mullholand and leave it on her property line where it crossed closest to her residence! Upon hearing about it from a reliable source, I laughed and laughed.


I don’t believe that he is a dim witted man at all and I don’t believe that he would not recognize the concerns of shooting rounds off on his property that were breaching his neighbors property. I don’t believe that you have the full story. I can believe that his neighbors were afraid that his target practice might produce a stray bullet but I don’t believe there actually were any stray bullets and that is probably why he objected to the demand to cease target practice. If he was shooting on his land he probably had a safety berm and there was no danger other than in people’s minds.


The guy isn’t irrational and shooting stray rounds into your neighbors property or anyone’s path is irrational.


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“This guy isn’t irrational”


Well, that’s one person’s opinion.


You would find the story about the cow funny. I find it typical of DD’s personality, nasty.


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“Some” scrap metal, this ain’t the old patio table and bicycle frame in the back yard. Maybe he was waiting for the apocalypse and a Mad Max world where this would be a valuable commodity with all industrial infrastructure gone and Christine Mulholland’s paper assets worthless.


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More of the same ole cr@p from DeVaul. Enough is enough, that’s it. These kids could be helping someone that really needs and appreciates their help, why waste their energy and money on Dan DeVaul?


As much as people don’t want to believe it, Gibson and the other supes have bent over backwards for this man but all they get is grief. Close shop, let DD make payments on what he owes and just let him stay out there on his property without allowing him to capitalize the homeless population. Lets just put an end to this now.


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There’s absolutely no way the county will let him keep his land. They know he can’t pay the excessive fines so they’ll put a lien on his place and *presto* he’ll be gone. They’ll fence it off, put in a dog park and call it the Christine Mulholland Nature Preserve.


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QUOTING PASOPARENTS: They’ll fence it off, put in a dog park and call it the Christine Mulholland Nature Preserve.”


I can’t think of a better name for a piece of land that was seized by a group of government cronies and is now dedicated to collecting dog $hit.


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MaryMalone and pasoparent5


Your correct, this is what it is mainly about

It is his land, he was just trying to help out (hes always been that type of guy!) non profit

All of this is the hand of arrogant politicians and their buddies!


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I believe that they would let him make payments but if not then oh well, he’s had his chance,,after chance after change to make this right. also, if he can get so much for that medal then he should sell it and use the $$ towards his fees and if he needs to sell off some of his property then he should do that as well (if they won’t let him make payments).


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TYPO

DEVAUL “NEVER EVER CHARGED ANYONE”

Law allows him to operate a sober facility so long as it was non profit and that is what he in fact did out of his own pocket !!!

The whole thing started when Gibson sought dirt on him for code violation for helping the homeless!

The truth of the matter is sick and twisted by politicians.


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I’m sorry willie but you are wrong, it’s common knowledge, it was even in the paper that he did charge a minimum of $300 a month. That’s the minimum, most get charged more plus they work on his property. He would sell his tenants cigs at a profit, I know this but you can take that at face value but the rent was published. Non profits can make profit. For example, if you need a car there’s no law that says that you can’t buy a new BMW for your non profit. He can charge and there are ways to make it seem like those charges are for expenses, it happens all the time.


Willie, he must follow the law. Once the word got out that his place wasn’t up to code the county HAD to act on that, they had no choice. If they didn’t act then they could risk expensive litigation. They weren’t out to get him, DeVaul is his own worse enemy.


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Can someone state who pays Steve Chauvet’s salary? I believe knowing this would shed light on his approach and intentions. If Cal Poly is involved, it’s most likely because they can use this issue to advance their image or their pocketbooks (or both).


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Steve told me he has volunteered his time for the past seven years.


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From the article:

“Each spring, as part of a project management course, instructors, outside contractors and students do a remodeling project to help improve the life of a physically disabled and financially disadvantaged family or individual.”


Sounds pretty nefarious. They have some nerve trying to help the disabled and financially disadvantaged. No good Poly jerks.


They do this every year.


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Why the hell does Devaul owe county council 125K? That is ridiculous, get rid of that fee…..


As for the sale of the scrap metal, come on DeVaul, the money from that sale was going towards building your 6,000 sq ‘ facility. You’re so cantankerous and neurotic that it’s no wonder you’re in the mess that you’re in. Sometimes I really think that you deserve it as you bring it on to yourself. Talk about slapping a gift horse in the mouth, shame on you.


and another thing…….You should be thankful that they are finding other code violations because they are also fixing/correcting those violations for you so that you don’t end up in the same situation later when someone else finds them and those are some SERIOUS VIOLATIONS.


Get done what needs to be done, you could have always challenged the county council fees later and damn near the whole community probably would have stood behind you.


How frustrating, I’m not going to feel sorry for you anymore……


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Just my opinion here….Even if Jesus Christ was the owner of the land, and had committed no “sins” against the government, the city government would STILL have manufactured a way to seize the land.


Our local area governments in SLO County are here to serve the developers. Everything and everyone else is relegated to the back of the bus.


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Mary,


Mary, are you taunting me? Jesus would never own any land because His Modus Operandi was to be homeless and to help the poor. Furthermore, Jesus did commit some sins, but only the TRUE Christian like myself knows this fact, and I am to keep it on the QT so as to keep the pseudo-christian from getting upset upset their perceived knowledge of the bible. Cindy always comes to mind in this respect.


Regarding your hypothetical, you’re kidding about the city gaining control of Jesus’ land, aren’t you? Did you forget that Jesus is God to some of the divisions of Christianity, and the least of which, is is the Son of The Judeo-Christian God?!!! Therefore, no city is going to take Jesus’ land for the fear of lightening bolts, and carnage upon their person! I can only assume you’ve never read the Old Testament.


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He owes because he ran up the bill up to ridiculous levels that should not be paid by taxpayers.


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