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Morro Bay councilman says vehicle code not for locals

November 29, 2013

Morro Bay Councilman George Leage said last week that only non-locals are prohibited from parking in Morro Bay red zones, according to a video submitted by a resident.

Leage, who was standing outside his residence at his family’s sushi restaurant Off the Hook, moved his red SUV out of the red zone shortly after noting it was properly parked.

Nevertheless, California Vehicle Code along with a Morro Bay City ordinance forbids parking in a red zone.

“Red indicates no stopping, standing, or parking, whether the vehicle is attended or unattended. Except that a bus may stop in a red zone marked or sign posted as a bus loading zone,” according to the California Vehicle Code Section 21458.Screen Shot 2013-11-26 at 3.40.31 PM

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The area is question is NOT A DRIVEWAY.


V.C. 490. “Private road or driveway” is a way or place in private

ownership and used for vehicular travel by the owner and those having

express or implied permission from the owner but not by other

members of the public.


The entire lot is PERMANENTLY barricaded with heavy wire rope cable. There is no possibility of “vehicular travel”.


There is NO DRIVEWAY.


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I’m glad you have appointed yourself the only decision marker as to when and if the property owner will ever want to use their curb cut as a driveway.


Want to tell me if I can use my driveway in front of my house?


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There are actually 4 driveways to that property. 2 are painted red with posts and chains blocking access to a huge empty lot. If you walk the entire length of the Embarcadero, you will see that NO OTHER DRIVEWAY is painted red, even those that need access repeated times daily. I think most reasonable people may conclude that someone other than the city painted the driveway red as some point in the past when it was critical for entry, and was probably in violation of city codes as no other driveway has been painted the same way. Now, why would the city paint the curb/drive in front of driveway that isno longer in use but yet not paint red 50 or more driveways that are accessed every day. This is a political hit piece, nothing more!


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Regardless of curb color and if it is a chain across it, simply it is a driveway and only the property owner can permit it to be blocked. As far as has been said Mr. Leage is not the property owner or has permission from them to block their driveway. Simply it doesn’t matter if the property owner put a chain across it, it is their driveway, to access as needed, even if that is once a year and Mr. Leage can not block it.


A lot has been said over if the curb it legally painted, it doesn’t matter, since it is a driveway first, but then again it if Mr Leage felt the painting was illegal, as a council member shouldn’t he bring it to the attention of the proper people to get it corrected? He should know who that would be, and why didn’t he, since it hasn’t been corrected after all these years, because he enjoyed the power he had to park there while most people obeyed the law by not parking at a red curb, and legal as far as they knew it. Could it be Mr. Leage was involved somehow in the curb being painted in the first place, why?, so he would have he parking space, hmmmm.


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It’s NOT A DRIVEWAY. It’s PERMANENTLY BLOCKED.


Is your driveway permanently blocked? No. It’s not. This non-driveway is blocked.


Is your driveway used for vehicular travel? Yes. It is. This non-driveway is not.


If you’re going to set yourself up as the fact-speaking voice in a debate, be prepared to debate the minutia. State law says a “driveway” is “used for vehicular travel”. Under state law, there is no “driveway” where Leage was parked. The police understand that. Which explains why no enforcement occurs.


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Isn’t it up to the property owner to decide if they want to use their driveway?


How have you determined it is “Permanent” block? A chain, chains are not permanent, perhaps the property owner had to put up such a secure chain because others kept cutting or taking down the other barricades, and put the owner at liability risk, the large appearing secure chain helps to keep those out but again does not take away the property owners driveway rights, even if they only use the driveway once a decade. Not sure why you want to take away the property owners rights. The curb cut is their driveway, even if used once an hour, day, week, month, year, or decade.


I’m sure most of us know why the police never ticketed Mr. Leage, legality was not the reason.


If you ever run again, using the platform of taking away a property owners rights will likely not help you.


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What is your comprehension problem here? When, if, the owner removes the barricade, then it will be a driveway again.


What is your personal vendetta against Leage anyway?


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You F&:$/ing LAites need to get a grip. This curb was obviously pained by the individual that used to need to drive in or out of that driveway. There is simply no other reason it was painted that way back in the day. It was not done by the city government therefore no violation exists. Why not have additional parking in the crowded waterfront? Leaving a perfectly good parking place open simply because of an inactive driveway is grasping at straws and ridiculous. Get the heck out of town and bring your legalistic crap with you. Ahhhhh!


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That red painted area is not a fire lane or anything like that. Nor is it posted No Parking

It is a driveway to a former boatyard work area. The old Boat Ways went out of business in the early 1990s and that vacant lot is used for nothing.

It’s driveways are chained off where the red areas are painted and therefore the No Parking laws do not apply.

It is perfectly legal to park in those four spaces, because the driveways are abandoned.

The curbs just haven’t been repainted in 30 years.

And dammit, you fools are giving away the locals-only secret parking spaces. I park there all the time because dumb-ass tourists see the red paint and think they will get a ticket and these end up being the only available parking in the heart of the Embarcadero.

And did this secret stalker with a camera ask George’s permission to film and record him before she did it? If not, that’s a violation of his rights to privacy and in this state a misdemeanor. But then again that’s nothing new for Irons’ backers.


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Wrong on several accounts….


All red curbs do not need signage. Thre are not usually signs at fire hydrants but the red curbs indicate you can not park there legally, or are the red curbs near corners always posted but again you can not park there legally.


Being a driveway or not, abandoned or not does not change anything, a red curb is a red curb, you can not park there legally.


A chained driveway does not invalidate parking laws, they still apply. It is never legal to block someone else’s driveway chained or not.


Age of paint of a curb does not effect if parking laws regading the color of the curb is still valid.


Lastly, the filming was on a public street and therefore permission is not needed. Just ask Google, they filmed the entire world and never been fined or arrested for it.


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Baloney. A Morro Bay traffic cop told me what I posted.

I’ve parked in those spaces for 17 years. Never once was told to move it or been ticketed.

And don’t say the cops ought to be handing out tickets.

And how dare someone ambush George like this before he’s had his coffee!

I guess the kid gloves are coming off in Morro Bay.


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And we all know police officers never get anything wrong???


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Kayak, obviously you are wrong. Get a grip, this a trivial parking space, not a serious life or death offense. OR do you just want to set the rules and everyone else has to follow the new rules of KayakNUT?


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I think you have me confused with Mr, Leage, funny we look nothing alike, as a person who sets the rules everyone else has to follow, just not himself, like many elected officials, like Obamacare.


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Wrong kayak. There is a separate statute for hydrants (within 15 feet), thus using hydrants as an example is faulty.


Red curb alone means NOTHING under the state Vehicle Code. It’s not even mentioned in the code. Anywhere. Except in conjunction with signage for fire lanes or delegation to local ordinances.


Morro Bay has such an ordinance. However, these “driveways” are PERMANENTLY roped off by metal wire cable. They are not driveways.


Finally, paint on a curb means nothing unless it was officially placed there. A citizen cannot create a personal ordinance. Actions must be taken officially.


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Where was there any mention of state vehicle code? nowhere, clouding the water may be all you have. Most know this is handled on the local level.


Red curb are not only around fire hydrants, been to an airport recently? A local agency can decide to paint red curb for many reasons, but the meaning is always the same, not legal to park there.


Whether the driveway is roped with metal cable or dental floss it doesn’t matter it is not legal to block it if it is not yours.


The only thing you got right is “A citizen cannot create a personal ordinance” and Mr. Leage tried it and got caught. As the saying goes “Man up” Mr. Leage


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>You ask: “Where was there any mention of state vehicle code?”


Uhhhh…. Really? Try the last sentence of the article??? The part that says, “according to the California Vehicle Code Section 21458.”


>You state: “A local agency can decide to paint red curb for many reasons…”


Yes, and the local agency has to decide it, not a private person willy-nilly painting a curb to deter parking.


> “Whether the driveway is roped with metal cable or dental floss it doesn’t matter it is not legal to block it if it is not yours.”


WRONG. A permanently blocked unused ramp is NOT A DRIVEWAY under the state definition of “driveway”. Why is that too complicated to understand?


Mr. Leage did nothing wrong. I’d park there too. Why the hateful personal vendetta? Why are Irons’ supporters such vicious spiteful people?


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Before you run again please read things better, it is still a curb cut and no chain, of any type can change the fact that it is a driveway, even if used once a year, or decade and only the property owner can park there or permit others, as far as we have been told Mr. Leage has neither.


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WRONG once again. A driveway is defined by California Law, not a curb cut. Under California Law it’s not a driveway. Again, why such vigorous hate from the Irons camp?


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You are not allowed to park at a red curb. That’s the issue. You’re guessing that the City didn’t paint the curb, you can’t be 100% sure though. Are you going to pay the parking citation for people who take your advice and get a ticket?.


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Well, now the facts are clear it was painted by locals, not the city. So I absolutely would park there.


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You are assuming that the curb was painted legally.


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Over a parking space? Are you kidding? What a stupid video! So who was the stalker? Come clean Stalker! Lets show your car and licence plate on a public venue! You deserve to be sued for stalking! That parking space is known by ALL the shop owners, everyone has used it for so many years….who decided to not paint it red? What a ridiculous vengeful way to spend your time! Just a shameful way to behave, going after people for stupid reasons!


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It’s Jim Davis


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Another scary reminder for those of you seeing the real George Leage for the first time (click Play button above), is that in 2008 he nearly was elected mayor. Janice Peters defeated him by a very slim number. The final vote came down to who smiled the most, and since Peters never stops smiling and Leage only started developing a smile the day he declared his candidacy, Peters had the edge. I don’t know if this mean that we should be very wary of what could happen, or if the makeup of the Morro Bay voting body has swung and/or changed so dramatically since 2008. It was only 6 years ago.


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Not a fair description of Leage, but, Peters is definitely a better choice.


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Not much better


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There have been some interesting conversations under this heading and I keep thinking they should (for the most part), have their own column. I was impressed that conflicting viewpoints could be posted without the author being attacked. This is the kind of dialog that could improve all of or lives in Morro Bay.


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These new “demographics” refute capitalism and promote Critique of the Gotha ..from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. A sad day indeed.


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Don’t be sad, Pelican1. When Morrotopia is realized you will be treated equally with the rest of us. You will only have to work 4 hours a day and you will be issued a free uniform and no one will be asking you for a hand-out.


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Oh slophocles, seems my karma just ran over your dogma. A tragedy indeed.


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Really, Pelican1? Most of the people you refer to would be very surprised to hear that they “refute capitalism.” I am an Irons supporter and I support capitalism as described in this definition: “An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.”


What I do not support is the manipulation of the system by a small number of individuals to direct all of the money their way by unfairly underpaying the workers through whose work the profits are made.


On reading one of the silly posts from your buddy probiz (the post that said Irons supporters never did or owned or accomplished anything) one of the young Irons supporters said, “this just shows how little they know us”. That person, by the way, owns and operates a successful business here in Morro Bay – bringing in money to the community and supporting our economy. Among Irons supporters, that person is not unusual.


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Now that I think about it, most of the citizens I’ve seen step up to the podium in support of Irons, own businesses. Probiz’s boxes are falling apart.


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I do not group people like you or mbactivitst. My comments have been directed at your rants about the “Progerssive” movement as well as mbactivist and mbhomeless attacks on those that have more than them. I am not sure what business owners that you are referring to that support Irons though. I haven’t seen them, but, don’t have Charter Cable. Let’s be clear about a couple of things. I don’t fault Irons for dismissing Schultz or Lueker. I think he is wrong, but, it is within his scope of power to do so. I think he grossly mishandled it. It should have been done quickly and without prolonged discussion to get it behind the city. He also made a terrible mistake with the Water Treatment Plant. That will cost residents dearly. It is mainly his handling of the Water Treatment Plant that has caused me to be for his recall. I stongly feel that my friends that are leading the recall and made this about Schultz or Lueker were mistaken to do so.


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Attacks on those that have more than we do? Fascinating interpretation, probiz.


I believe it is clear that the only attacks on persons were by you – attacks on people that you perceive as being inferior to you – you know – the ones who never did, owned or accomplished anything – the ones who just need to improve their skills so they will have more.


The only “attacks” in return were on your ATTITUDE.


I am quite comfortable and want for nothing. I am sorry that mbhomeless is not so fortunate, but I suspect his/her situation was not due to any personal failing. Many good people have ended up in the same situation due to circumstances far beyond their control.


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It seems to me that they have no understanding of financial realities. First to mbactivist, I never said that “all Irons” supporters had accomplished nothing. I was referring directly to you, slophocles and mbhomeless who are on here constantly whining about those that provide your jobs. Slophocles, no, the business owners of Morro Bay or any other place owe higher income to low skill workers. These were never intended to be jobs for life, but, a place to get experience, improve skills and move up from. The ridiculous post from mbactivist shows no understanding of the free market system. You can’t compete overpaying for labor, materials or inventory. If you pay more for wages in Morro Bay your price structure increases leaving you unable to compete in other markets. Please don’t tell me about working 2 or 3 jobs. I have done that for at least 5 years of my 35 year career and most of the other time worked in excess of 50 hours per week in 1 job. It is possible to learn new skills on your current job to earn promotions and more money by making yourself more valuable to your employer or those that are the competition. The reality is that we are competing with the rest of the world. They are becoming more skilled and producing better products at a lower price. Should we be forced to purchase more expensive, lower quality items to pay those in America higher wages when they wont learn new skills? mbactivist, it is clear that you are clearly one of the know nothing, have nothing, never accomplished nothing individuals that I have identified though. In addition you are a blatant liar that make up things to suit your Communist agenda. Yeah, I said it. Call me out on that one.


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Regarding your statement, “I never said that “all Irons” supporters had accomplished nothing. I was referring directly to you, slophocles and mbhomeless who are on here constantly whining about those that provide your jobs.”, I remind you of the following redent discussion on the subject of changing demographics and progressives in Morro Bay..


slophocles

11/30/2013 at 6:30 pm

The past and present business owners are welcome to come along into the new progressive era if they willing to adapt and adjust – they are just having a hard time doing so. We can all reach Utopia if we just work together.


Probiz

11/30/2013 at 6:38 pm

Adjust to people that have no claim on anything other than having owned nothing, done nothing, and accomplished nothing? How does this new “Progressive” ruling class gain their power, because the voters screwed up and elected Irons? That will change in June, recall or no recall. If you want a larger voice, accomplish something. People will then pay attention to you.


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The Video shows that M.B. City Councilman Mr. George Leage did NOT use his left turn signal when pulling out of his private parking space…humm….


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He lives in an illegal unit on Market Street


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roger that. i’m on it.


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wait – what’s the address?


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so that’s what’s happening to that old Biagginni building.


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Wow.. I wish you well Morro Bay but it sounds like you’re going to wind up going down the same road we did here in SLO. People from out of the area moved in while the middle class moved outside of the city limits. Under Dunin we made a last ditch effort to bring in people like Pierre Rademaker to the city council… people who ARE “green” thinking and anti-corruption yet understand the ideas that made the city so pleasant. But we failed (Alan Settle won against him). The so-called “progressives” love to spend other people’s money, and when the chain stores from out of town their eyes are going to BULGE at the property taxes they could take in. At that point you can start kissing your local businesses goodbye.


Your property values will be ok but no one in the town will be able to afford to own any property there, so it will all get sucked up by more people moving in from out of area who have made their money somewhere else.. leading to even less control by locals. At that point, only those who work for the city/county, and a few doctors and lawyers will be able to own property and the rest of the city will be turned into the working class (who now call themselves the “middle class” simply because they have a college degree) who will have to pay ridiculous rents or commute from elsewhere in North County.


At that point, you will likely wish that you hadn’t broken up your good ol’ boys club and found ways to work with them instead of get on some democratic philosophical high horse from where you can not perceive the yin and yang of REALITY.


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at least when BIG BUSINESS moves in, i’ll have a few more PARKING LOTS to park my subaru in. Yin and yang is about balance from what I understand and i don’t think when the income of the average “working class” can’t cover a basic necessity like rent, things are very balanced. Ommm.


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Remember that here in SLO, before the “progressives” took over, you could have parked your red Subaru anywhere and live in it and *if you were respectful*, nobody would have bothered you.


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one problem. Who is the one determining what *respectful and disrespectful* is? if you wanna see one of our *respectful” citizens in action, just click the Play button on the video above. he’s the guy hiding behind the big white coffee cup, saying “I dont care” about the laws of his own community.


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if a WalMart moves in I will be able to afford a new duck boat to live in. Mine is old and smells like worms.


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What a privilege that must have been for those homeless people. Your thinking sounds like it comes straight from the Fogcutter School of Economics and Social Responsibility – Economics 101: “This is Mine and That’s Not Yours”, taught by a Professor Probiz and his graduate assistant Give M. Eabreak.


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Did I suggest any such thing? You will take any opinion that is not the same as yours and condescendingly turn it around on the person applying all sorts of ideas to them that they may not even have.


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I think you were condescending to mbhomeless, one of our true LOCAL heroes. Especially, with that little *asterisk* bit. Where did that come from? It’s never been tried here before. Don’t rock the boat, alright?


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Why do you or anyone else have a right to the labor, investment, risks taken of another? Why is that? Why should you be paid more than those with similar skills outside of Morro Bay? What have you done to earn that?


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Well, my post wasn’t about that – it wasn’t about me at all. But since this is your new battle-cry, all I can tell you that every labor law we have (minimum wage, 40hr work week, equal employment, OSHA, etc) were created and passed because of people like you and Mr. I. Don’t Care in the video above. I know that in your Libertarian fantasy, we all fend for ourselves without any cooperation and everything works out, but in that fantasy the struggling have-not’s that you malign at every opportunity, would, because of their ability to fight and survive with much less, fare much better than you yourself and probably take everything you “own” the first day.


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Did I address any of those issues. I am asking you to compete with others that are subject to the same laws. More BS avoidance of self responsibility.


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probiz and slophocles less about each other much less.


About the subject ok, each other no.


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That’s a different type Entitlement Mentality than Mr. George Leage’s…in case you didn’t know…


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I guess looking at the big picture we could try to figure out who is moving here, but I guess the realtors must have an idea, but who else? The cost of real estate influences who can afford to live here, for sure. About renting/leasing I guess you need to have a good background, references, etc. Jobs , in the area, it seems young people are willing to drive from one city to another (even as far as Santa Maria) for their work. This is really quite a nice place to live and many people go away and come back saying, ‘couldn’t wait to return’!! , Older people can’t just pick up and leave, so maybe they stay (unless their children help them to move elsewhere). People live very modestly here, in homes that were built many years ago. I don’t know any statistics , but I believe Cal Poly interns have done surveys. There seems to be a different/wider chasm developing between liberal/conservative thinkers. The way Morro Bay will evolve as a City has everything to do with who the leadership is. I kept thinking over the years that if we developed a nice, pretty City that we and tourists would love to be then the residents and business/motels/restaurant owners, could come together. But, now I see so much greed from the TBiders, Chamber members and commercial (not all , of course), and the jump into the power seats , Council, mayor, commissions, planning has people ‘serving’ that have property in the quay. They aren’t serving to better the lives of the citizens at large, they expect to be on the inside when their projects come up!! There is a constant line up of ‘clients’ of Kathy Novak’s (former mayor…duh), coming before the commission asking for special treatment. If appealed it went right on through the Novak friendly council (Bill Yates, Carla Borchard, Nancy Johnson , George Leage), approved!! For years this has been going on with out interruption , until now. I am so hoping young people, without a ‘me first’ agenda will apply for our boards and commissions in the future. I’d like to see people apply who want this to be a lovely town to live in….not just pave over the East Embarcadero so the West side will have plenty of parking. Look at the future of our town with sidewalk cafes along MB Blvd. and Main Street. Keep it green and inviting. Then people will want to come here . If we are friendly and don’t gouge them to the hilt, they may even come back. thanks what I think…..


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Yes, fishing village, people love to visit this town because it IS green and inviting. The greed of the special interest group that hates Irons would have destroyed the place in order to make as much money as possible for themselves and their cronies.


Regarding your comments on the special treatment given to pals of the former Council, amen! Anything for their friends, and they didn’t care if it was legal or good for the town in general.


Now, their little club has lost its power, and a certain consultant is not having so much success pushing through ill-advised and otherwise questionable requests from her clients.


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The TBID has become ‘the last word’ in how the City handles tourism (The Tourism Bureau…clones), so what can the City government do except bow down and say ‘let us help’!. Those elected evolved from this group of greedy motel owners. We have also had an increase in Best Westerns and franchisees. Big time and they demand heads in the beds. Also, the demand ‘things for people to do who come here’, so we have ‘events’!! It seems like every weekend there is a group of lured folks coming here to be entertained. The Car show, The festivals, Harbor , margarita. The holiday events….what ever they want they get! One little problem these events have always been put on my local groups, but they are tired of all the work, so now we have promoters coming in and saying ‘i’ll put on an event for you (Oyster Festival), but they didn’t realize people HATE things like that closing down the golf course, messing with a good thing. We have a long way to go to take back the controls for the locals/residents/small business guys. The very reason people love Morro Bay is it is a quaint , little place, with beautiful open beaches, great hiking trails, lovely wildlife (check out the marina walk ) lovely birds everywhere you look. Breath deeply and enjoy the clean, cool air. Stick up for this City and the important life experiences.


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I understand much of what you say here, but, the facts are that businesses were dying without the promotion. The Best Westerns are not chains, but franchises owned by the locals. I moved here because I like the fishing village atmosphere, but, you get folks like mbhomeless and slophocles ranting about not being able to make a living here. If they ever have a chance to increase wages it will be from growth in tourism that will give them promotions in tourist related businesses as they seem to not have skills to gain other employment as many here lack. You are right, the locals that organize things like the Car Show, Harbor Festival, Boat Parade (and more) work their tails off, and are the same people that own local businesses and are hated by many on this website. Without them, more people would be downtrodden and homeless. Perhaps they are owed gratitude instead of hit pieces about illegal parking that are probably not accurate.


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I’m not employed in the tourism industry myself, but I understand that we’ve had a significant increase in tourism dollars over the past two years here in Morro Bay, which means, if we are to follow your thesis, the employees of these businesses are all receiving direct increases in their paychecks because we all know that the first thing a business owner does, as soon as soon as he or she receives and increase in revenue or profit, is go to the checkbook out and start handing out raises. Paying employees as little as possible has been standard profit-maximization practice since the beginning of economies and you know it. Employers (with a few exceptions, see Trader Joe’s, Costco, and a few other companies thinking long-term profit instead of short-term) increase wages when they are forced to, hence the minimum wage. We all know how the game is played, so quit BS’ing people. Isn’t it enough that you benefit from this system rather than suffer like others do? Do you have to rub it in?


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You know that I benefit from what system? You know nothing about be and would be shocked if you did? I believe in the system and it is allowing me to make yet another comeback after financial struggles and severe health problems from 2006-2011 working in a new industry since 2011 in which I had zero experience and started off making less than $10 per hour. I still make less than $10 per hour but gain commissions which are considerably increasing. The system works if you do.


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I don’t think that’s what your past posts indicate, probiz. Is this like EBOG (what was it – the Embarcadero Business Owners Group?) Your use of terms like “financial comeback” and “working in a new industry” give you away. The system works if you have a good head start – not always, but most the time. And now you want credit for illness? Wow, wouldn’t that be nice if we could all get that? Lord knows, there are enough ill people in this country.


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“Again, In response to your below post which I cant respond to, you know nothing about me.”


No more about you two, stay on subject and not on each other. Further bickering risks your ability to comment here.


Less about each other.


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Whatever , with the we need to kiss the tourism businesses….well, the ‘pie’ has gotten smaller and smaller as more business have come in, think about the number of motel rooms that have been added, there has been this ever increasing ‘need’ to lure tourists here. No matter that there is a price gouge going on on weekends and holidays (they all do it!), I see a benefit in treating people fairly , and they will return, but that isn’t the philosophy of enough of the motels/retaurants/retailers here. Why whine that those putting on the events are over worked when they do it to make more money? They get paid in increased customers, don’t they? I just can’t feel sorry for them. I’ve had several businesses, performed a service and never expected anyone to promote my business. If my customers/clients were happy they came back.

The promotions people can do whatever they want with the 3% motel tax, but it is the City money , that we never get any details about, that bugs me. $10,000 a month on the Visitor center, huh?, what are they spending the money for? Rent for the Visitor’s Bureau office? , $150,000 more a year on local promotion? City property/building has been given to the chamber. (a chamber member signed the recall petition…bad) The City needs to audit the whole shebang!! and let us know how the money is being spent.


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So the Chamber Member is not allowed to have a differing opinion from the Mayor? Great.


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Let’s be clear about some things. I did not vote for Irons, but, strongly considered it. I do not hate the man, but, I think he has made stupid mistakes in judgement and has exhibited no leadership skills. I would not vote for Yates (even though I like him personally) as I don’t think his appearance is suitable for the position. A leader must be taken seriously and I can’t see the whole unkempt/rumpled thing working outside of Morro Bay when dealing with state agencies etc. Joe Yukich was a joke and I would never have voted for him, My choice was between Irons and Borchard. I know many people that know Irons outside of political office that thought highly of him. I know Carla personally from serving the Merchants Association with her as well as working with her on a number of community events. I find her to be highly qualified and concerned about what is the best for the city. I voted for her. So please, get off your high horse with the “little club” and special interest. It is stupid rhetoric that serves nobody except those that hate capitalism and want redistribution of wealth. If you dislike you plight, you can’t change those that you dislike, but, you can improve your skills and gain wealth.


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Probiz, up until you went crazy with the whole improve-your-skills-gain-wealth soapbox that you always fade off into, that was a pretty funny post. I especially liked the parts about Yukich and Yates. What I would like to have seen was those two to trade wardrobes and hairstyles for a period of time, Yates run the sushi restaurant and do a nightly comedy bit, Yukich sit in as mayor for a few months – just for laughs – then the both of them travel around the city, to the schools and nursing homes, putting on public debates and arm-wrestling and eating competitions, and at the end shave their heads for charity and do a polar bear dip in the bay. I think it would have been good for the city but now, I just don’t know.


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What ARE you talking about? I have owned several businesses, have managed to stay off the ‘hand outs’, and seriously wonder if you haven’t noticed the ‘special interests’ in this town? Not seeing doesn’t mean it isn’t there. This City has changed according to those in power, if you are happy with it then stick with it , if not think about what this City could be like. A beautiful library, lots of books, a pretty park with flowers, City streets with beautiful trees, birds nesting peacefully. Greedless living, think about compassion for your fellow man, not just because you think you’ll get something back for it, and do the right thing even if no one is looking, stop the manipulation, things like that. Just sayin….


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Hmmmm, toning it down now, aren’t you, Probiz, after that nasty crack about how Irons supporters never did or owned or accomplished anything?


Well, anyway you WERE toning it down until that last nasty crack, ” If you dislike you plight, you can’t change those that you dislike, but, you can improve your skills and gain wealth.”


So, in your mind, it’s still the fault of what you seem to consider the underclass if they don’t have a lot of money. Never mind that a huge percentage of good-paying jobs have been outsourced to other countries. Never mind that people struggling, working two or three low-paying jobs to support their families have neither the time nor the money for training to “improve their skills”. Let them eat cake.


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Your comment is ironic mbactivist, when we ALL know it is Irons who was trying to change zones (illegally) without going through the proper channels. And why he fired the City Attorney for not cooperating with his dictator ways. So who’s “Little Greedy Club” are you really talking about?


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And so goes the propaganda of the old boy/old girl network


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Yes, the Happiest Town in America has gone to hell in a handbasket. What a horrible place to live.


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That is the next step.. go take a look at Santa Maria sometime and see what happens when all the ag land is sold off to big box stores.


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No thanks. That place is too windy.


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