Molotov cocktail allegedly thrown at California mosque

December 28, 2015

UnknownInvestigators believe unidentified people threw a Molotov cocktail at a Northern California mosque over the weekend. The incident triggered a fire late Friday or early Saturday at the Tracy Islamic Center. [Sac Bee]

San Joaquin County sheriff’s officials say they are investigating the incident as a possible hate crime. But, sheriff’s deputies said they have not located surveillance video in the area and have no descriptions of any suspects.

Sheriff’s Lt. Mike Van Grouw said without any suspects authorities do not know what the intent was.

The fire caused about $1,000 of damage. No one was injured in the attack.

A local chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) released a statement following the incident.

“The recent spike in hate incidents targeting mosques nationwide is unprecedented and should be of concern to all Americans,” said, Basim Elkarra, the executive director of the Sacramento Valley chapter of CAIR.

Earlier this month, a suspected arson attack damaged a mosques in Coachella. There was also a suspected arson attack on a Houston mosque.

Both incidents came in the aftermath of the Dec. 2 terror attack in San Bernardino in which alleged ISIS supporters killed 14 people.

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Why would anyone want to do this? ; )


Our country has a history of Christian anti-abortion violence and campaigns of intimidation that can only be termed as terrorism. I am sorry that being vocal of this historical fact upsets you. In this one case with Robert Dear, he was a devoted Christian that actually followed the bible in the same vein as a Muslim follows the Qur’an in their killing verses.

Our Bronze Age God Yahweh, of the Christian faith, explicitly demands the killing of another relative to abortion. “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” –Exodus 21:22-25

The passage above is the first fetal homicide law enacted by our God Yahweh that concerns the child harmed during a separate assault. This passage distinguishes between the baby/fetus/zygote who dies and imposes only a fine on the criminal who accidentally causes a premature birth, but the punishment is a life for a life if the baby then dies! This shows that Yahweh equated the life of the unborn with that of the born, therefore abortion is murder and anyone performing the killing of babies is to be killed! Hence, Robert Dear followed biblical principles, period.

Side-note, our Jesus did not die as a real sacrifice as others did within the scriptures. He essentially only took a three day tomb nap, because He was resurrected and walked amongst his disciples in a bodily form thereafter before being sent skyward to heaven. In other words, a real sacrifice is that you remain dead. True Christians accept this fact and move on.

I can see that you don’t read our bible, in that it most certainly demands many times that we Christians are to kill others in many instances, and one of many examples is, if others try and take us away from our faith as shown in Deuteronomy 13:7-12.

I believe Jesus corrected some of the inconsistencies that was written in the old testament. One only needs to read his sermon on the mountain and the beatitudes to see what Christ wants from us.

Did Christ not say he didn’t come to not take away the old law but to fulfill it? Christ needed to show us the reality that we need his mercy and that following many of the old priestly laws or miss interpreted writings from the Torah was impossible and is finally corrected with his truth.



I can’t believe in what you just wrote! Jesus allegedly corrected some of the inconsistencies” in the Old Testament? Where do you get the authority to preclude that what the inspired word of Yahweh said once, He really didn’t mean to say it in the first place, and that it was wrong? Are you calling our Hebrew God Yahweh a liar? Blaspheme!

“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) This passage refers to the Old Testament along with the New Testament.

Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount makes it clear that He DID NOT come to destroy, rescind, nullify or abrogate the Old Testament Laws, all 613 of them: “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18). With these words, Jesus likened the continuance of the Mosaic Laws to the permanence of heaven and earth

Relative to the above, has heaven and earth passed away or disappeared yet as referenced within this passage regarding the future; “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare” (2 Peter 3:10) NO, THEY HAVE NOT! Therefore, through logical deduction, the Old Testament laws are still in effect today!

“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God.” (Luke 4:4 KJV) Every word of God relates to the Old Testament as well.

I will earnestly pray for you tonight for your enlightenment regarding ALL of the axioms within our bible. You can thank me later.

I believe God is the author of the holy scriptures. I believe God used human authors to write down the letters while respecting and using their own talents, strengths, intellect and weakness.

I do not believe God put his people in some kind of a magical trance and dictated his word using them like some kind of machine or robots.

I believe in following the contextual approach to understanding the scriptures. The letters and stories of the bible are formed in many ways. You have literary forms such as historic, poetic, prophetic, laws, proverbs (wise sayings) and some are more folklore with important moral meanings.

I do not follow the fundamentalist approach to the scriptures nor do i attempt to follow some passages while ignoring others.

I believe the old testament should be used as which is sometimes called Christocentric (Christ Centered) leading us to the fulfillment of the new testament which is completed with my Lord Christ. Ted, let me give you a example the psalms 137 8-9 says “Oh daughter Babylon you devastator. Happy who shall be who pay you back who take your little ones and dash their head against the rock”. This biblical passage is conflicting with the message of Jesus. Did not our Lord warn us it would be better if we were never born to harm one of his little children? to me this is a reflection of the imperfect theology of the human writers While our God uses them with their human imperfections and not a indication of Gods love or will for us.

I apologize sincerely if I offended you, this was not my intention. If you do not agree with me I’m good with that and do not feel the Holy Spirit would want me to debate on here with you.

Thank you much for your prayers, I can use all the prayers I can get.



Seriously, its hard for me to read your convenient interpretations of what you think the bible states, whereas, what Yahweh said once, He didn’t mean for His creation to take in many different and contradicting ways!

You are violating the word of our version of God by making the bible say what you want it too, and that will not be condoned. “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)

If Jesus condoned the killing of children that cursed their parents, then so be it, we have to accept this fact, and not try to insidiously spin doctor this biblical axiom away!

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating.  Jesus defends Himself by attacking them in a quid pro quo stance for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment; “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and anyone who curses his father or mother MUST BE PUT TO DEATH. (Matthew 15: 3-4).

The “command” that Jesus was referring too and that was in effect at His time was when Moses said: “Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.” (Exodus 21:17)

Now, you’re probably going to try and spin doctor this Jesus fact away as well? Tell me, where do you get the authority to interpret the bible the way that you want too? “My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.” ( PSALM 89:34 ) Do you understand this passage?

I have seen so many pseudo-christians that try in vain to preclude that they know more than the inspired word of our Yahweh by reinterpreting His inspired word. Do you understand the term “Slippery Slope?”

“The New Testament is revealed in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament” (Saint Augustine of Hippo)

“Ignorant of the Scriptures is Ignorant of Christ” (Saint Jerome)

Sadly you love to judge people as if you have some kind of Apostolic Authority. Did Christ give you the powers of binding and loosing? Did Christ give you the Keys? You quote 2 Peter 1 20-21 without clearly understanding this passage. You enjoy claiming authority yourself while attempting to insult or belittle people. do you honestly think insulting and belittling other Christians or judging them, or accusing if they know the scriptures is the work of the Holy Spirit? Who say you Sanders?

It saddens me to see a person who is in so much pride of himself and will pollute the word of God by focusing and teaching legalism of harm instead of trying to spread the message of Gods love or mercy, which is the message of good news (Gospel)

You do not want to try to get into a scriptural debate with me Ted. My authority and guidance is not from myself and am not a sail boat with my sails blowing lost in the wind. My authority comes from the Apostolic faith handed down from the Apostles to the Bishops for 2000 yrs. I place my faith in guidance in Christ visible holy Church the true Orthodox faith, and not flowing with the sails of private interpretation and frail from modern subjectivism.

When I receive the Holy Eucharist I will offer it up for you and will pray for got to warm your heart.

12/31/2015 at 2:49 pm

Here is the Apostles Creed Ted just in case you ignore the Niceen Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;

and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,

Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;

He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.


You notice it states Christ was crucified DIED and was buried and that he then descended to hell (Shoal) then the third day he rose from the DEAD

Here is the Athanasian Creed for you as well.

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;

18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.

19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;

20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.

21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.

23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.

26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.

27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.

31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.

32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.

34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.

35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.

36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;

38. Who SUFFERED for our salvation, descended into HELL, rose again the THIRD day from the DEAD;

39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;

40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;

42. and shall give account of their own works.

43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved

I’ll keep praying for you Ted. I have no clue what school of thought you were taught from or your denomination, but it’s obvious you are not Orthodox or Catholic.

Ted Say’s

“our Jesus did not die as a real sacrifice as others did within the scriptures. He essentially only took a three day tomb nap, because He was resurrected and walked amongst his disciples in a bodily form thereafter before being sent skyward to heaven. In other words, a real sacrifice is that you remain dead. True Christians accept this fact and move on.”

Read the Creeds Ted.

My Lord Jesus Christ suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in according of the Scriptures and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

My Lord suffered a real sacrifice and death and rose. By saying he simply took a nap is blaspheme.

You clearly need some basic catechism in foundation authentic Christian teaching. You are a heretic!

I will pray very hard for you Ted Sanders..

“The recent spike in hate incidents targeting mosques nationwide is unprecedented and should be of concern to all Americans,” said, Basim Elkarra, the executive director of the Sacramento Valley chapter of CAIR.

How about this:

The recent spike in actual brutal murders targeting non-muslims worldwide is unprecedented and should be of concern to ALL the world’s citizens” said someone who does not work for a known terrorist-connected, terrorist group like CAIR.

There. Fixed.

Fighting terrorism with terrorism is not the way.

One needs to understand that those who are radical Islamist aggressively with violence, oppression and fear spread Islam and oppress or destroy those in the way.

A radical Christian is one who tries their best to live the gospel to the letter the way Christ teaches. You see this in many religious orders, like Saint Francis for example. To be a radicalized Christian is to be a person of true peace.

Christ did not totally condemn violence and understood that at times it was necessary to pick up a sword. Did he himself not furiously whip the people in the temple and throw over the tables?

Christ also praised Roman centurion officer for having great faith and taught the soldiers to spend their $$ with integrity. Never condemning their occupation.

With all this being said. It is cowardly and evil to attack a person or place. We must not become lawless vigilantes.


“A radical Christian is one who tries their best to live the gospel to the letter the way Christ teaches. You see this in many religious orders, like Saint Francis for example. To be a radicalized Christian is to be a person of true peace.”

LOL, I’m guessing you never heard of the Crusades!. Those “radical Christians” were not exactly people of peace.

I live in the 21st century. I think you missed my point. Sorry if I offended you.



The Christian Bishops in the east requested from the Bishop of Rome to help free them from the Muslims who were taking their’s and the Jews holy land. Sadly the crusades were war. War is hell and bad things do happen such as the sacking of Constantinople by the crusaders, but the mission was still a just cause. Islam by force was spreading aggressively and was at the door of western Europe.

the Christians and Jews lived in peace before the Muslims by force started killing them and taking the holy sites and land.

Jesus said his kingdom is made of weeds and wheat, saints and sinners. Jesus said this will always be until the end of time.

Given that Muslims are slaughtering Christians abroad and innocent people here, it would be logical to see more of these attacks in retribution. But Americans truly do believe in freedom, even for those whose religion and world view require killing us “infidels.” Too bad they can’t learn this type of tolerance, the world would be a much better place. Guess ome people will do anything for 72 virgins.

Not just Christians, but anyone they deem infidels – mostly other muslims!

There is crazies on both sides, it’s a shame

I think we are a bit “outgunned” in the crazies department…

To even remotely infer that there is some type of balance with “crazies on both sides” promotes a severe lack of understanding.

OK, ROy, please help us understand. What is the balance of crazies on each side? I’m guessing since you seem to be an apparent expert on this subject, you have visited both sides and talked to people, maybe did some sort of survey? Or at least have some solid references to back up your claims?

The Christian community should thank the Atheists in that they don’t go around fire-bombing our churches when our members kill in the name of our bible.

There’re too many examples of this fact to list herein, but one recent example is Robert Dear’s killing of three innocent individuals at a Colorado Family Planning Clinic, where when interviewed said that Christians that perform this act are, “doing God’s work.”

I hear Atheists say that they don’t know who to fear the most, Islamic terrorists, or Christian terrorists. It doesn’t matter, because upon the Atheist’s demise, they will burn in the sulfur lakes of Hell anyway, praise!

Ted, anyone that is a Christian and truly believes in God and that Jesus Christ died for our sins would not “kill in the name of our Bible”. Sadly people in the United States often think just because they are American, white and citizens that they are Christians. The ideaology behind Islam is much more clear cut.

The Christian community should not thank Atheists for anything; they should condemn the fanatical professions of people who use Christianity for their evil actions. The only one who comes to rob, steal and destroy is Satan. He is very effective at using people who don’t believe that Jesus died for ALL the sin of the world. The Bible does not advocate killing people; it advocates forgiviness and love.

Ted throws out the bait and people take it. Just ignore the troll

Perhaps I’m just using Ted to get my message out there ;)